another thing, if you are creating an ad on say, Cars and Bids, or Autotrader, like I did, the stupid algorithm tells you that, at $80k you are in the low range of the asking price. Well, fine. Asking. They give you no sales info or time on market. The guys on Autotrader, especially, with their 2014s in the 100k range are simply high on crack. I bet they sit on their for months, as the repos pile up, the recession really sets in and things go even further south.