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Anecdotally, I have never met an ///M driver in the real world who was on forums or who had even heard of E46Fanatics, Bimmerpost, etc. (…outside of BMW events or enthusiasts events)……and I purposely ask every one of them I come into contact with. They are regular people who just wanted whatever was BMW’s top shelf performance offering. They weren’t diehards. They didn’t order their cars. They didn’t even necessarily hunt for deals as many are happy to detail the ADM they paid in addition to the price of their cars. The same applies to Porsche drivers and RennList. I mean, who hasn’t heard of RennList, right?!? Well I have yet to come across a 911 driver who ventures onto that site either. I spend my entire shift - 16 hours a day - in a black and white, driving around communities and talking to every perceived enthusiast I can find here in So.Cal. After all, I’m a car guy so I enjoy talking to car people. We all know forums represent and/or encompass a very small percentage of actual buyers, but it always surprises me when arguably the two largest forums for BMW and Porsche aren’t even on the average buyer’s radar. I wasn’t disregarding the critical assessment in the manner you interpreted, but I was offering perspective to temper that assessment because “we” are not exactly who businesses build cars for. Building them how some of us would prefer would result in poor overall sales. Very few people who are self-proclaimed purists are actually that which they align with. I don’t see very many low-optioned, built for the thrill of the drive builds. Majority of these builds check nearly every box; nearly every creature comfort. Purists they/we are not. |
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All in all I am not disagreeing with you, although then - both camps - ones justifying or criticizing the design direction (the ones like me) are missing the whole point of what drives the sales. Rude awakening and the reaction to this thread/ new post then also seems very insignificant. I appreciate your perspectives and sharing the anecdotes. Sales numbers we could say have no correlation to the design direction. It’s the novelty that probably drives sales up. Dropping this though, and I am sure this will sell well in the Chinese market it’s made for, and also elsewhere. After all it has the BMW logo and the ///M emblem.
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Not a single one of those names - I looked, Missoni is the child of Austrian architects - is Italian. Hire a couple of chain-smoking Italian designers, give them unlimited Espresso and tell them they can use the focus group reports as toilet paper. Brand's design troubles will be solved in days.
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….and about that car you posted, you’re right! It’ll sell simply because it has a Roundel. Sometimes I wish I could have a heart-to-heart with the people making the decisions just to get a glimpse into their line of thinking. I know they aren’t idiots and A LOT of analysis goes into forecasting. |
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Surely, we can all have an opinion without someone saying it is stupid. We can only relate to what is happening where we live.
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There is a thread full of people who hate it unfortunately. This is a customer base they missed.
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Actually, I would say a large majority of my M buyers have bought the G8X platform purely based off its look. People like the G8X look because it carries road presence and aggressiveness that other brands cant supply. People are getting bored of the soft lines of MB and dull interiors of Audi, it's why BMW is the highest selling Luxury brand. I've upgraded plenty of F-Chassis M drivers to G8X's, all of them happy. |
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They will go down in history as the most damaging team. As long as "Damage" Dukec remains involved, everything is lost.
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What you call modern designs is boneheaded ridiculous design to others and it doesn’t solely drive sales. Remove hofmeister kink, add boomerangs all on the inside (new X3), missing back row ambient lighting, plain Jane door trims in the G60, slap a tacky big 5 label on both sides, put sparkly ///M logos, the list is (fairly) long. In god we trust, everyone else brings Data and Correlation as proof. Write us a financial analysis paper please with your facts exactly how design is driving the sales numbers up. Or it’s just another pure lazy speculation.
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