Why can't any independent test get within 20 seconds of the claimed GTR Ring time?

NewSong · 05-27-2009, 02:50 PM

So Car Magazine did an independent GTR vs Porsche GT3 Mk2 "Nurburgring Challenge".

Here are the times:

GT3: 7:49 (Porsche claims 7:40)
GT-R: 7:51 (Nissan claims 7:26)

Now I'll attribute the differences in times to the driver not knowing the car nearly as well as the test drivers from Porsche or Nissan. A 9 second difference with the Porsche seems acceptable, but 26 seconds from the Nissan GTR???!

Sportauto magazine has tested the GTR in their next issue as well, and the rumors say that Horst Von Sauma (well known Nurburgring test driver) couldn't get near Nissan's "official" Nurburgring time.

Driver's Republic did an independent test and could only manage 7:55.9!
http://magazines.drivers-republic.co...c/thetruth030/

Is it time to call shenanigans on Nissan?

Yoshii · 05-27-2009, 02:53 PM

i like the nissan...

montreal red · 05-27-2009, 03:45 PM

yea, i still think the time that nissan claims is a little too good to be true... i mean the nissan would flat out beat a carrera GT, Zonda F and a GT2 (according to their sport auto times) if it could do that time for real...

Sal@AUTOcouture · 05-27-2009, 03:48 PM

they should just have Nissan do it again...

vAnt826 · 05-27-2009, 03:48 PM

http://www.gtrblog.com/2009/04/16/ni...burgring-7-27/

Porsche was there to watch it.

NewSong · 05-27-2009, 03:49 PM

I don't think the GTR can beat the Z06 on the Ring let alone a Zonda or Carrera GT.

gshb · 05-27-2009, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by NewSong

I don't think the GTR can beat the Z06 on the Ring let alone a Zonda or Carrera GT.

do any of those cars have an R for racing? didnt think so. case settled. lock this thread.

Kensta335 · 05-27-2009, 03:54 PM

Who cares about the ring times.

Wow that new GT3 looks sick. Love the color too.

Spartikus · 05-27-2009, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by vAnt826

http://www.gtrblog.com/2009/04/16/ni...burgring-7-27/

Porsche was there to watch it.

Yes they were!!

E82tt6 · 05-27-2009, 04:04 PM

Not to mention the Porsche is worlds harder to the drive than the GT-R.

I simply cannot believe that car beating a CGT, Enzo, or Zonda around the ring. I'd believe mid-low 7:40s, on par with a GT3, or Z06.

ragingclue · 05-27-2009, 04:53 PM

Shenanigans has been called a while ago.

All we've had since then is multiple rounds of support in our theory that Nissan is full of shit.

marty_mcfly · 05-27-2009, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Kensta335

Who cares about the ring times.

seriously. its really just for bragging rights...

The__J__Factor · 05-27-2009, 04:58 PM

Everyone has been debating this record ever since the GTRs launch.
Nissan had a rolling start and i also believe they said they had a different finish point compared to its starting point.
Either way a stock GTR is never gonna do what nissan claimed.

.:bHd:. · 05-27-2009, 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The__J__Factor

Everyone has been debating this record ever since the GTRs launch.
Nissan had a rolling start and i also believe they said they had a different finish point compared to its starting point.
Either way a stock GTR is never gonna do what nissan claimed.

lol yah they don't count the straight away I think. It's not a complete lap

Seminole · 05-27-2009, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by .:bHd:.

lol yah they don't count the straight away I think. It's not a complete lap

Isn't it a pretty long straightaway too?

.:bHd:. · 05-27-2009, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Seminole

Isn't it a pretty long straightaway too?

loll very long.. On track days they don't count the straight away because people pull out of the parking area and that would be an accident waiting to happen. I think on closed circuit days they do.

vAnt826 · 05-27-2009, 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by .:bHd:.

lol yah they don't count the straight away I think. It's not a complete lap

At least watch the video before you make retarded assumptions.

In regards to rolling start, thats how Porsche times their laps.

You'd think these obvious things would be pointed out by Porsche in terms of unfairness.

The__J__Factor · 05-28-2009, 12:51 AM

^ That video just showed they didnt include the straight.

Inspired · 05-28-2009, 02:06 AM

wow.. awesome driver..

marty_mcfly · 05-28-2009, 02:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The__J__Factor

^ That video just showed they didnt include the straight.

isnt the 7 second mark (of the youtube video itself) the start of the straight?

JeepJeep · 05-28-2009, 02:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The__J__Factor

^ That video just showed they didnt include the straight.

....um yes they did...

The__J__Factor · 05-28-2009, 05:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeepJeep

....um yes they did...

No it didn't.
The Timer starts just as the GTR passes the end of the Green wall on the rh side. Just before the first corner.
The timer stops soon as the GTR comes round the last corner, it then drives down the straight which is untimed and pulls into the pit lane. This pit lane entrance is the end of the Green wall where the timer started in the beginning.

In the start of the video it takes about 6secs for the GTR to cover the straight before the timer start. So no they didnt include the straight and that lap should have been about 6 seconds longer.

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NewSong Just another jerk in a hat... 124 Rep 1,462 Posts Drives: 2005 Ford Focus Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Irvine iTrader: (0)	Why can't any independent test get within 20 seconds of the claimed GTR Ring time? So Car Magazine did an independent GTR vs Porsche GT3 Mk2 "Nurburgring Challenge". Here are the times: GT3: 7:49 (Porsche claims 7:40) GT-R: 7:51 (Nissan claims 7:26) Now I'll attribute the differences in times to the driver not knowing the car nearly as well as the test drivers from Porsche or Nissan. A 9 second difference with the Porsche seems acceptable, but 26 seconds from the Nissan GTR???! Sportauto magazine has tested the GTR in their next issue as well, and the rumors say that Horst Von Sauma (well known Nurburgring test driver) couldn't get near Nissan's "official" Nurburgring time. Driver's Republic did an independent test and could only manage 7:55.9! http://magazines.drivers-republic.co...c/thetruth030/ Is it time to call shenanigans on Nissan? __________________ He brought me up also out of a horrible pit, out of the miry clay, and set my feet upon a rock, and established my goings. And he hath put a new song in my mouth.
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