[FlashMonkey929]

Originally Posted by SpaceSilverX1

the other day, I was doing just under 80mph and keep pace with all the cars around me. Since I was close to the city, I knew I would be coming up to stop and go traffice, so I tried the gear shift method to make it go to S.

I didn't look down and probably pushed the wrong way to go back to D and the car somehow ended up in N. It started to slow down and it was kind of scary for me and the other cars following me. I pushed it again to move it back to D.

Is it supposed to permit me to shift from S to N(or D to N) at that kind of speed? I looked in the manual and didn't really see it mentioned. Of course, I won't try it again when I'm on the interstate again.

You can shift to N and back at any speed I presume. I’ve shifted to N on a downhill on the freeway to coast a few times.

[MontyB1]

Originally Posted by RNorb

EVs and PHEVs have their place in the transportation world, but the idea that they will have anything to do with "saving the planet" is fantasy. All they do is move Co2 emissions from the tail pipe to the mining of rare minerals. It takes thousands of pounds of earth being mined to make just one EV battery. And the mining is all done in counties that have no concern for "saving the planet". At best, our government mandate to switch to EVs from gas powered vehicles will be a wash.

Well I get the point but that really isn't the case. But are we saying using fuel needlessly is ok when we can avoid it which is the point this thread raises and similar ones again and again.

Could you be sat at the lights in silence using no fuel, yes, but no.

20+ years ago in Switzerland you had to turn your car off if you weren't sat in the first few cars by law, it was and still is to reduce emissions in the valleys in the summer. This was followed, Taxis even got pushed forwards rather than starting them up, it was followed despite the delay to get going. The US has a VERY long way to go even decades later.

[Kothar]

For toggle do a full hard pull, a little light pull will or might go to N, make sure you feel an almost click feeling when you toggle gear knob.

[jb008]

Originally Posted by MontyB1

Stop start is much better today that it used to be, I can’t say I’ve ever turning it off in any BMW, prefer to save fuel and the planet.

I really liked Stop-Start in my 2020 Subaru Legacy. It was highly predictable, aggressive restart, and surprisingly smooth. Stop-Start in my '23 X1 nearly caused me to have 2 accidents, and is a pain in the butt and causing unnecessary wear when it engages when trying to creep into my garage. Worse, the common "fix" is to run the cars in sport mode which creates a heck of a lot more CO2 (at least in my case) than the Stop-Start feature is saving.

I'm not against the feature, but BMW could have done a lot better job of implementing the feature in the '23 X1.

[SpaceSilverX1]

Originally Posted by jb008

I really liked Stop-Start in my 2020 Subaru Legacy. It was highly predictable, aggressive restart, and surprisingly smooth. Stop-Start in my '23 X1 nearly caused me to have 2 accidents, and is a pain in the butt and causing unnecessary wear when it engages when trying to creep into my garage. Worse, the common "fix" is to run the cars in sport mode which creates a heck of a lot more CO2 (at least in my case) than the Stop-Start feature is saving.

I'm not against the feature, but BMW could have done a lot better job of implementing the feature in the '23 X1.

my BMW salesman said "it's frustrating because they(BMW) want to you to become so frustrated that you eveutually want to buy a full EV from BMW" Yes, he was joking, but still...

[MontyB1]

Originally Posted by jb008

I'm not against the feature, but BMW could have done a lot better job of implementing the feature in the '23 X1.

Yeah it does seem a little broken in the US compared to most other markets, but isn't the issue the throttle delay / clutch actuation rather than the engine switching off. Years ago I had an A3 with S-Tronic as a company car that had similar traits, not ideal at all but you got to work around them. Was nice to get back into a full torque converter for the next car mind.

[RNorb]

Originally Posted by MontyB1

Well I get the point but that really isn't the case. But are we saying using fuel needlessly is ok when we can avoid it which is the point this thread raises and similar ones again and again.

Could you be sat at the lights in silence using no fuel, yes, but no.

20+ years ago in Switzerland you had to turn your car off if you weren't sat in the first few cars by law, it was and still is to reduce emissions in the valleys in the summer. This was followed, Taxis even got pushed forwards rather than starting them up, it was followed despite the delay to get going. The US has a VERY long way to go even decades later.

I have no problem with cars having ASS if the driver has the option to turn it on or off. There are many circumstances, outlined on this forum and others, of the negative consequences of not having that option.

But looking at the big picture, if we all drove cars with ASS I don't believe it would make any significant or meaningful difference relative to the total use of fossil fuels in the world.

In my opinion, ASS is another feel-good mandate by progressive governments and is irrelevant to the problem they profess they want to solve.

[FlashMonkey929]

Originally Posted by MontyB1

Yeah it does seem a little broken in the US compared to most other markets, but isn't the issue the throttle delay / clutch actuation rather than the engine switching off. Years ago I had an A3 with S-Tronic as a company car that had similar traits, not ideal at all but you got to work around them. Was nice to get back into a full torque converter for the next car mind.

The throttle delay is a huge issue to me that overshadows the Auto Start/Stop, BUT the Auto Start/Stop sometimes compounds this because it shuts off the motor when you don’t want it to. This problem is the one thing I hate about the X1, and I feel it could have been fixed months ago with a simple software update.

[MontyB1]

Originally Posted by RNorb

But looking at the big picture, if we all drove cars with ASS I don't believe it would make any significant or meaningful difference relative to the total use of fossil fuels in the world.

So it’s hard to improve the efficiency of a modern engine, I’ve worked closely with engineers in the largest automotive companies and F1 teams. But basic ASS by itself typically improves fuel consumption by 5-8% and more modern solutions more than that. Obviously if you have no traffic and virtually never stop the benefits are less than for a driver in a built up area with heavy traffic.

But to say it makes virtually no different, if every car in the US had it and it was used the millions of gallons of fuel less that would be used year on year would be significant. Everything that can be done like that should, simple as that.

The fact that more advanced and faster acting ASS solutions that make the X1 better to drive are fitted to almost all other models and markets except the US is a telling indictment in market sentiment for most of the US.

[MontyB1]

Originally Posted by FlashMonkey929

The throttle delay is a huge issue to me that overshadows the Auto Start/Stop, BUT the Auto Start/Stop sometimes compounds this because it shuts off the motor when you don’t want it to. This problem is the one thing I hate about the X1, and I feel it could have been fixed months ago with a simple software update.

Agree, it seems that the new update is helping from what some are saying but it doesn’t appear to filter into the US yet, fingers crossed it does help I can see the clutch / throttle actuation issue being a pain.

The PHEV the wife has is a joy in this area even again the slushy auto I have in the X3, really makes the car have a stunning pickup and feel so lively around town.

[FlashMonkey929]

Originally Posted by MontyB1

Agree, it seems that the new update is helping from what some are saying but it doesn’t appear to filter into the US yet, fingers crossed it does help I can see the clutch / throttle actuation issue being a pain.

The PHEV the wife has is a joy in this area even again the slushy auto I have in the X3, really makes the car have a stunning pickup and feel so lively around town.

If we ever do get this update and it fixes my issues, I will gladly run the Auto Start/Stop system permanently.

I've got to take my X1 in soon for its first scheduled oil change, I'm hoping the dealer might have the update and it's just not available OTA yet.

[a0krn]

I really wish they take a note from my Toyota Highlander. Just press the brake harder after stopping to activate auto stop.
Auto stop really is only useful when it’s off more than a few seconds.

Idk at this point auto stop will phase out due to cars going electric.

The future is bleak for auto start stop.

[SpaceSilverX1]

Originally Posted by a0krn

I really wish they take a note from my Toyota Highlander. Just press the brake harder after stopping to activate auto stop.
Auto stop really is only useful when it’s off more than a few seconds.

Idk at this point auto stop will phase out due to cars going electric.

The future is bleak for auto start stop.

actually, that was how I avoided engine auto stop in the Toyota! (by slowing down early to avoid having to press too hard during the last couple of feet) Learned that trick from ToyotaNation.

[Tazz]

Originally Posted by FlashMonkey929

If we ever do get this update and it fixes my issues, I will gladly run the Auto Start/Stop system permanently.

I've got to take my X1 in soon for its first scheduled oil change, I'm hoping the dealer might have the update and it's just not available OTA yet.

I live in AU and got the new update and can confirm, it has gotten wayyyyy better (like 80% fixed) I used to hate it at roundabouts, now i barely notice it (apart from the slight jerk). Throttle delay is something I'm unsure about because I never really noticed it cause im 18 and love to floor it whenever i can in expressive mode.

[FlashMonkey929]

Originally Posted by Tazz

I live in AU and got the new update and can confirm, it has gotten wayyyyy better (like 80% fixed) I used to hate it at roundabouts, now i barely notice it (apart from the slight jerk). Throttle delay is something I'm unsure about because I never really noticed it cause im 18 and love to floor it whenever i can in expressive mode.

Which powertrain do you have? UK owners in this forum report improvements too, but the 28i is a US/Canada only engine and seems to be worse than others before the update.

[dsallean]

Originally Posted by FlashMonkey929

If we ever do get this update and it fixes my issues, I will gladly run the Auto Start/Stop system permanently.

I've got to take my X1 in soon for its first scheduled oil change, I'm hoping the dealer might have the update and it's just not available OTA yet.

Just went to the BMW dealer last week because my wife is really frustrated with the ASS. They said no update was available.

[tex2670]

Originally Posted by SpaceSilverX1

since you're in the West, I suppose you also don't know where DMV is?

DMV
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washin...ropolitan_area

I'm in the Northeast, where I've lived for over 50 years, and I was *today* years old when I heard of this. I know the DelMarVa Peninsula, but I've never heard it shortened to DMV....

[tex2670]

Originally Posted by a0krn

I really wish they take a note from my Toyota Highlander. Just press the brake harder after stopping to activate auto stop.
Auto stop really is only useful when it’s off more than a few seconds.

Idk at this point auto stop will phase out due to cars going electric.

The future is bleak for auto start stop.

This is my biggest issue - that the engine will shut off before you come to a full stop.

[SpaceSilverX1]

Originally Posted by tex2670

This is my biggest issue - that the engine will shut off before you come to a full stop.

my driveway goes up hill... when I come home, I let the car roll up and come to a near stop WITHOUT even pressing the brake pedal. the X1's engine would shut off whiel the car is still rolling forward slowly. at that point, I usually have about another 5 feet to go. pressing the gas pedal starts the car immediately agagin and I drive the last 5 feet, then shut off the engine manually... talk about a dumb design. the BMW engineer(s) responsible should be spanked the German way!

[MontyB1]

Originally Posted by tex2670

This is my biggest issue - that the engine will shut off before you come to a full stop.

Why is that bad, the X3 does the same but the engine restarts faster than I can get to the accelerator so it’s never an issue. Presume the clutch issue is what causes the issue it turning off like that.

[tex2670]

Originally Posted by MontyB1

Why is that bad, the X3 does the same but the engine restarts faster than I can get to the accelerator so it’s never an issue. Presume the clutch issue is what causes the issue it turning off like that.

In low speed parking it's bad. The engine shuts down before I'm fully into the garage. It's stupid, and it prevents me from using the brake hold feature, which just exacerbates the issue.

[FlashMonkey929]

Also highly annoying when going over speed bumps, or when creeping forward to make a turn through a gap in oncoming traffic it becomes a safety issue. With the ASS and throttle delay in the pedal combined, sooner than later someone is going to get plowed into because the car didn’t accelerate when it was told to.