[M3 Number 86]

Originally Posted by hongsc

That's why I said Jordan Brand deserves some of the blame. Ultimately the teen made a dumb and dangerous decision because he wanted it. The driver did the same and he's probably going to be in a lot of trouble for it.

that's ridiculous. In the meantime, let's also put the blame on the car manufacturer, the gun manufacturer, craigslist, and Earth, while we're at it.

[Delta0311]

Originally Posted by M3 Number 86

that's ridiculous. In the meantime, let's also put the blame on the car manufacturer, the gun manufacturer, craigslist, and Earth, while we're at it.

Absolutely. If someone is trying to steal your BMW and you beat the prick till he goes full retard, is that BMWs fault?

[C5driver]

Originally Posted by Delta0311

If someone is trying to steal your BMW and you beat the prick till he goes full retard, is that BMWs fault?

In 2016 logic...yes.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by C5driver

In 2016 logic...yes.

If you vote for the current left, then you agree.

[M3 Number 86]

Originally Posted by C5driver

In 2016 logic...yes.

lol.

What is kcc? Some church thing?

[M3 Number 86]

Originally Posted by ASAP

If you vote for the current left, then you agree.

I vote left but some of it is crazy thinking.

Remember when rap music was causing crimes?

[C5driver]

Originally Posted by ASAP

If you vote for the current left, then you agree.

I typically vote for the rational, but I'm willing to settle for normal at this time.

Help me...

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by M3 Number 86

I vote left but some of it is crazy thinking.

Remember when rap music was causing crimes?

You don't believe that groups of people that expand entitlement programs to undeserving fools, are in any way guilty? You may want to rethink that.

[C5driver]

Originally Posted by M3 Number 86

lol.

What is kcc? Some church thing?

We worship at the temple of the Chive.

http://thechive.com/

Keep Calm and Chive On!

[M3 Number 86]

Originally Posted by C5driver

We worship at the temple of the Chive.

http://thechive.com/

Keep Calm and Chive On!

LOL - my wife is into that. Pretty funny stuff when I get a chance.

[M3 Number 86]

Originally Posted by ASAP

You don't believe that groups of people that expand entitlement programs to undeserving fools, are in any way guilty? You may want to rethink that.

In general, people should have rights and in reality, some need help. But like I said, some of it is bat shit crazy, and is way overboard.

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by M3 Number 86

that's ridiculous. In the meantime, let's also put the blame on the car manufacturer, the gun manufacturer, craigslist, and Earth, while we're at it.

You left out Universe...it is to blame for the whole damn mess!

[M3 Number 86]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

You left out Universe...it is to blame for the whole damn mess!

dare I say God then....

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by M3 Number 86

dare I say God then....

Nah...we have free will.

Just like the gun toting robber and the SUV surgeon.

[M3 Number 86]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

Nah...we have free will.

Just like the gun toting robber and the SUV surgeon.

I have lost 99.99% of faith in faith if that makes sense. It's lunacy.

Ok - then maybe it was due to SCIENCE!

[trixdout]

Originally Posted by Mike.

the big thing is he turned around and went to run the kid over, the window of defending himself closed when the kid left the car and he drove away.

which sucks because he was just helping the police catch him citizen's arrest anyone?

Post of the year ^

Oh because the "window" of defending yourself closes when he walks away. The asshole still has possession of a firearm. You try approaching the douche with a gun that isn't being pointed at you to get back your stolen property.....

[trixdout]

Originally Posted by C5driver

Yes, so let's run him over with a gigantic SUV and rip his arm off after he has ceased to be a threat. Sound thinking

How is he ceased to being a threat. The dickhead still has a "loaded" gun on him. That IS a threat. Who knows if that gun is legal and he is the owner of it. Oh wait, he is 17, no way he is the rightful owner of the gun.

HE IS A FUCKING THREAT FROM THE MOMENT HE PULLED THE GUN ON PHIL AND UP TO THE MOMENT WHERE HE LOSES HIS ARM AND DROP THE GUN AT THE SAME TIME!!!!

[C5driver]

Originally Posted by trixdout

How is he ceased to being a threat. The dickhead still has a "loaded" gun on him. That IS a threat. Who knows if that gun is legal and he is the owner of it. Oh wait, he is 17, no way he is the rightful owner of the gun.

HE IS A FUCKING THREAT FROM THE MOMENT HE PULLED THE GUN ON PHIL AND UP TO THE MOMENT WHERE HE LOSES HIS ARM AND DROP THE GUN AT THE SAME TIME!!!!

He failed to be a threat when he exited the vehicle and walked away, not pointing or shooting the weapon at anyone. Phil should have dialed 911 and possibly followed the kid.

Instead he chose to run him over and now he will be facing criminal and civil charges. Phil will never wear a pair of Nike's again. He will lose his freedom and his future. Everything he worked for will be stripped from him because, like the kid, he chose poorly.

Does this compute?

[trixdout]

Originally Posted by Navy Doc

Unfortunate incident. I agree that the kid is a scumbag POS and deserves to be punished............... but to the extent of losing his arm. Seems steep.

Phil, on the other hand is in for a long ride along with his family. His "self defense" defense unfortunately probably won't hold up. You can clearly see in the video that the immediate threat had past. Now he will go to court. Spend thousands of dollars. His family will suffer. He will suffer. If convicted will probably spend some time in prison and have a felony record.

Can't see any good outcome from any of it.

I don't get how the kid is not an immediate threat. At any point, if Phil chose to tale him all the way where ever this kid would stop, the could have fired the gun at him. I see an immediate threat at any point of this incident up until the cops would have arrested the kid.

How is everyone looking past the fact that this kid had a gun that was not legally his.

Let us start trial with prosecuting the kid for attempted first degree murder.

The kid more than likely had all intentions of bringing the gun with him to buy those pairs of shoes. He obviously didn't think of taking the gun last second. That's attempted murder. Running over the kid was self-defense.

[trixdout]

Originally Posted by C5driver

He failed to be a threat when he exited the vehicle and walked away, not pointing or shooting the weapon at anyone. Phil should have dialed 911 and possibly followed the kid.

Instead he chose to run him over and now he will be facing criminal and civil charges. Phil will never wear a pair of Nike's again. He will lose his freedom and his future. Everything he worked for will be stripped from him because, like the kid, he chose poorly.

Does this compute?

Kid still had an illegal, "armed" gun on him. He was still a threat. He has no license for the gun.

IS THAT NOT A THREAT?

[C5driver]

Originally Posted by trixdout

Kid still had an illegal, "armed" gun on him. He was still a threat. He has no license for the gun.

IS THAT NOT A THREAT?

It's not up to you or me to decide. Phil made his decision and I'll bet you a dollar that Phil is fucked.

Deal?

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by C5driver

It's not up to you or me to decide. Phil made his decision and I'll bet you a dollar that Phil is fucked.

Deal?

I'm not sure, my friend...I hear Phil has a very disarming personality.