[josec70]

Insane video

[rlmesq]

Originally Posted by GrussGott

course the drunk driver may have hit way more people if he didn't feel like someone was following him - he may have tried to speed home. further, he probably wouldn't get charged with drunk driving, rather leaving the scene of an accident, and then maybe the next night he kills someone.

As a society we have to choose which is worse: getting the bad guys off the street or allowing them to get away.

I'm in favor of accountability.

You forgot the third option: letting the police do their job instead of playing cop and doubling the danger to innocent motorists by committing all the same traffic offenses as the fleeing guy in the MB.

Sure, the guy in the Benz could have killed someone the next night... but the squid could have caused a fatal accident by his actions.

[MalibuBimmer]

How do you protect against a lunatic in a car? A lunatic on a bike.

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by rlmesq

You forgot the third option: letting the police do their job instead of playing cop and doubling the danger to innocent motorists by committing all the same traffic offenses as the fleeing guy in the MB.

Sure, the guy in the Benz could have killed someone the next night... but the squid could have caused a fatal accident by his actions.

If you watched the video that wasn't an option as the on-site cops declined to follow, multiple state patrol didn't seem much interested in a highly damaged run-away car that a citizen was trying to flag them down for, and 911 didn't seem to be able to get any cops attention either. Even the cop that finally came on scene had possibly just smoked a giant doobie.

The danger to innocent motorists is a drunk driver who's already rammed three cars and has fled the scene. If the on-site cop doesn't care, then citizens have to get involved to protect ourselves.

If cops do their jobs then citizens don't have to do their jobs for them.

But don't worry dude, if someone sues, maybe you can defend the motorcyclist!

[zx10guy]

Originally Posted by rlmesq

You forgot the third option: letting the police do their job instead of playing cop and doubling the danger to innocent motorists by committing all the same traffic offenses as the fleeing guy in the MB.

Sure, the guy in the Benz could have killed someone the next night... but the squid could have caused a fatal accident by his actions.

Originally Posted by GrussGott

If you watched the video that wasn't an option as the on-site cops declined to follow, multiple state patrol didn't seem much interested in a highly damaged run-away car that a citizen was trying to flag them down for, and 911 didn't seem to be able to get any cops attention either. Even the cop that finally came on scene had possibly just smoked a giant doobie.

The danger to innocent motorists is a drunk driver who's already rammed three cars and has fled the scene. If the on-site cop doesn't care, then citizens have to get involved to protect ourselves.

If cops do their jobs then citizens don't have to do their jobs for them.

But don't worry dude, if someone sues, maybe you can defend the motorcyclist!

People need to decide what they want the cops to do. Many police departments have anti-pursuit policies because of possible danger of involving innocent bystanders that many of you pointed out concerning the motorcyclist chasing the driver. So you all need to decide which way you want it. Pursuit or no pursuit? There's no in between.

[rlmesq]

Originally Posted by zx10guy

People need to decide what they want the cops to do. Many police departments have anti-pursuit policies because of possible danger of involving innocent bystanders that many of you pointed out concerning the motorcyclist chasing the driver. So you all need to decide which way you want it. Pursuit or no pursuit? There's no in between.

Most police officers are trained to discontinue a pursuit if it becomes too dangerous to bystanders. It isn't usually a binary choice of "Pursuit or no pursuit."

The key word is trained. This guy obviously didn't have the common sense to recognize when he crossed the line. (By the way, I hope you wear better gear than the guy on his GSXR when you ride that ZX10.)

It's like people who are licensed to carry concealed firearms. The required training is pretty minimal in California (in the counties that actually issue them): a background check, a four hour class and getting eight of ten rounds into the target from ten yards. In some other states, it's even less.

If I'm standing in the checkout line at 7-11 with my Slurpee and a couple of armed robbers walk in, I hope anyone legally carrying a gun has sufficient combat training to assess the situation and make a rational decision, instead of going into cowboy mode and engaging in a full-blown gunfight without regard for danger to the innocent bystanders.

[zx10guy]

Originally Posted by rlmesq

Most police officers are trained to discontinue a pursuit if it becomes too dangerous to bystanders. It isn't usually a binary choice of "Pursuit or no pursuit."

The key word is trained. This guy obviously didn't have the common sense to recognize when he crossed the line. (By the way, I hope you wear better gear than the guy on his GSXR when you ride that ZX10.)

It's like people who are licensed to carry concealed firearms. The required training is pretty minimal in California (in the counties that actually issue them): a background check, a four hour class and getting eight of ten rounds into the target from ten yards. In some other states, it's even less.

If I'm standing in the checkout line at 7-11 with my Slurpee and a couple of armed robbers walk in, I hope anyone legally carrying a gun has sufficient combat training to assess the situation and make a rational decision, instead of going into cowboy mode and engaging in a full-blown gunfight without regard for danger to the innocent bystanders.

It depends on the jurisdiction as I said. For example, in DC the Metro PD have been given clear guidance not to pursue riders operating ATVs illegally on public streets. There were videos posted by these morons doing all sorts of outlandish stunts while a Metro PD officer was following this circus. They knew the cop couldn't do anything to make them stop. After they had their fun, they just scatter like the cock roaches they are and know the cop won't chase them.

As far as the gear I wear, here is a picture of my gear. While it's at the track on a S1000RR, it's the same gear I wear on the street.

[Sedoy]

Originally Posted by rlmesq

The guy on the bike exacerbated the situation by turning it into a chase. He already had the license plate number and should have turned it over to the police. Instead, he added to the MB driver's concern for his safety and put countless other innocent bystanders at risk, too.

The license plate means nothing. The MB owner (the driver) would drop the car somewhere and call police that it was stolen. Next he would call a good lawyer and his friend for an alibi.

[rlmesq]

Originally Posted by zx10guy

As far as the gear I wear, here is a picture of my gear. While it's at the track on a S1000RR, it's the same gear I wear on the street.

Keith Code school? They use BMWs.

I wadded a new R6 on a ride on Highway 1 when I lived in Mendocino County, avoiding a car that was on the wrong side of the road in a no passing zone. I got a ride into the nearest town and called my neighbor to pick me up. He brought me a t-shirt, shorts and flip flops.

We went to the emergency room in Ukiah because I thought I'd broken my wrist. (It was actually my thumb, but that pain can be hard to trace.) The triage nurse saw the contusions on my knees, where the mesh liner of my rs-Taichi leathers had tattooed me on impact, and started going off about riding motorcycles in shorts.

I invited her to go into the parking lot and look at the thousands of dollars in thrashed gear (Arai helmet and Taichi gloves, along with the suit) in the bed of my truck, and told her I would've been a life flight transport if I wasn't wearing it.

[rlmesq]

Originally Posted by rlmesq

Keith Code school? They use BMWs.

My guess was right. I took a closer look and saw their logo. I first saw it on my phone and it was too small to read.

[zx10guy]

Yes. Keith Code's Superbike School. More specifically CSS or California Superbike School. That pic was taken at VIR.