[Fish Fingers]

Also think from the crims point of view.

What have they achieved? They risked getting caught at yours and your neighbours for nothing.
They didn't get the car, they didn't steal anything.

So why did they do it?

The only other option is a recce - but the lights didn't go on, so they don't have ignition access imo.

Still think it's opportunists looking for possessions.

Don't let it freak you out👍
I got attacked in my own bedroom by a masked gang and 2 cars stolen, but the worst thing they can do is affect you mentally.
Done let the b******* win.

[Tbkbabab]

Thanks everyone, I’m not really worried but it has worried my wife.
It is very obvious down our narrow road if anyone unusual appears, just 5 houses and 3 lots of CCTV, you can’t come down the road without being caught on camera
also most people are at home for a lot of the time.

[WA]

Originally Posted by Tbkbabab

Any advice or info appreciated as feel this was probably a scouting mission prior to actual thefts.

Another potential option is "Deep Sleep" mode. I don't have my X1 anymore (and my other BMW does not have Deep Sleep mode) but when I had the '23 X1, I used Deep Sleep mode regularly to conserve battery as the X1 was not a daily driver.

I don't recall all the specifics and the manual isn't detailed, but in Deep Sleep mode (activated in iDrive** before you leave the vehicle) it turns off some of the sensors.

** two Deep Sleep choices when activating:
"with anti-theft alarm" or
"without anti-theft alarm"

Main purpose is to save battery, but I think it includes deactivating keyless entry. So might have helped in the situation you described. You have to press the tailgate button to wake it up out of Deep Sleep mode, which make it sound like keyless entry is disabled.

From the user's manual:
Deep sleep mode is activated to prevent the vehicle battery from discharging when the vehicle is stationary for several weeks.

In deep sleep mode, the vehicle functions are limited to the essentials.

Press the button on the trunk to access the vehicle in deep sleep mode.

[Tbkbabab]

Originally Posted by WA

Another potential option is "Deep Sleep" mode. I don't have my X1 anymore (and my other BMW does not have Deep Sleep mode) but when I had the '23 X1, I used Deep Sleep mode regularly to conserve battery as the X1 was not a daily driver.

I don't recall all the specifics and the manual isn't detailed, but in Deep Sleep mode (activated in iDrive** before you leave the vehicle) it turns off some of the sensors.

** two Deep Sleep choices when activating:
"with anti-theft alarm" or
"without anti-theft alarm"

Main purpose is to save battery, but I think it includes deactivating keyless entry. So might have helped in the situation you described. You have to press the tailgate button to wake it up out of Deep Sleep mode, which make it sound like keyless entry is disabled.

From the user's manual:
Deep sleep mode is activated to prevent the vehicle battery from discharging when the vehicle is stationary for several weeks.

In deep sleep mode, the vehicle functions are limited to the essentials.

Press the button on the trunk to access the vehicle in deep sleep mode.

Interesting but sounds like you can unlock it by just pressing the trunk button which isn’t ideal.

[WA]

Originally Posted by Tbkbabab

Interesting but sounds like you can unlock it by just pressing the trunk button which isn’t ideal.

Pressing the trunk button (when in Deep Sleep mode) does not unlock the car, it just wakes it up out of Deep Sleep mode, re-activating keyless entry. Another press (with key fob in range) would then unlock.

So my thought (theory) here is if a criminal is attempting to clone your key via whatever extender tool they use while you and your key are in the house ... that it would not unlock the car if keyless entry is disabled.

This of course assumes the criminal has not pressed the trunk button, (knowingly or unknowingly) re-activating keyless entry before they attempt to clone.

Certainly not flawless as the feature is for battery saving, not security. But something that might help, and uses an available standard feature. Not some additional cost/install like a 3rd party theft deterrent.

[paulockenden]

Originally Posted by Tbkbabab

Checking the car had definitely been locked with the keys so still scratching my head as to how the unlocked it.

The thing is, if the headlights didn’t come on I don’t think they *did* unlock it at that point. Unless you’ve got that switched off. Easy to check - unlock your car in the dark and see if the light patterns match what you saw on your cctv.

[Tbkbabab]

Originally Posted by paulockenden

The thing is, if the headlights didn’t come on I don’t think they *did* unlock it at that point. Unless you’ve got that switched off. Easy to check - unlock your car in the dark and see if the light patterns match what you saw on your cctv.

I can see the drivers door slightly opened as the interior lights come on
then they shut it so it was definitely unlocked.

[paulockenden]

Originally Posted by Tbkbabab

I can see the drivers door slightly opened as the interior lights come on
then they shut it so it was definitely unlocked.

No, I didn't mean it wasn't unlocked. What I meant was, I don't think THEY unlocked it at the time they opened the vehicle, else you'd have have seen the headlights come on. It must have been unlocked previously, either by them (which you should be able to see on the CCTV), or not properly locked by the last driver (which again you should be able to tell from your CCTV, although you might not want to!)

[timesone]

Another possibility is the door was never closed properly preventing the X1 to be locked … some of my passengers find the doors heavy and every now and then someone will not shut the front/rear door properly

But only you can tell by cctv it was locked properly

[fueledbycaffeine]

This thread has definitely given me more perspective on why I should just use the digital key rather than the key fob. 😐

[kenrok1]

Originally Posted by fueledbycaffeine

This thread has definitely given me more perspective on why I should just use the digital key rather than the key fob. 😐

Although if it was a case of ‘thought it was locked but it wasn’t ‘ I’m not sure the type of key would have mattered.

I’m not speculating on the OPs situation- just know from my own experience with my previous cars I always had the auto lock when walking away set and of course the default relock if not opened in certain time, yet on more than one occasion I’ve gone to leave I the morning and been like ‘oh shit, my car’s unlocked?!’ Wasn’t able to ever pinpoint why. But there was no would-be thief thankfully. I just try to condition myself to listen for the confirmation chip and mirror fold.

[fueledbycaffeine]

Originally Posted by kenrok1

Although if it was a case of ‘thought it was locked but it wasn’t ‘ I’m not sure the type of key would have mattered.

I’m not speculating on the OPs situation- just know from my own experience with my previous cars I always had the auto lock when walking away set and of course the default relock if not opened in certain time, yet on more than one occasion I’ve gone to leave I the morning and been like ‘oh shit, my car’s unlocked?!’ Wasn’t able to ever pinpoint why. But there was no would-be thief thankfully. I just try to condition myself to listen for the confirmation chip and mirror fold.

Yeah, I’m not going to have any sort of auto lock or unlock enabled after my keys got locked in the trunk of my car 25 years ago. Heh.

UWB has more security built into it than the key fob and is not susceptible to some of the attacks that can leave the car more vulnerable.

[MMandov]

As discussed few times in other threads, we are lucky to be owners of one of the few vehicles with UWB keyless entry on the market. This means that relay or key copy attacks are not possible, therefore all faraday key boxes and bags or vibration based key activation/standby are irrelevant here.

Ofcourse, there might be other complicated methods to open your car, as we also have the old fashioned mechanical key in our key fobs, but starting it is quite well protected. UWB is not just for the Digital Key+, but also for they fob.

Here is the most recent ADAC report on Keyless cars that can or can't be opened and/or started: https://assets.adac.de/image/upload/...024_goct7q.pdf
*Cars with "nein" can't be opened/started. Only 70 out of 705 they've tested are secure!

[jimma_uk]

From reading this thread and some experiments with my X1 this morning, I think it is looking likely that the vehicle wasn't locked. At night my car headlights always come on when the vehicle is unlocked, and the mirrors fold out if folded in beforehand. If the car is already unlocked and it is nighttime, the exterior lights do not switch on but the interior light illuminates. Which is (what I believe) you are saying happened with your car.

For the auto relocking, that only functioned for me if the door wasn't opened after unlocking. If the door had been opened, the lock was not activated.

Getting a steering wheel lock is a good idea following this, as it acts as a visual deterrent and a piece of mind for you. Sorry this has happened, not a nice experience I'm sure.

[Tbkbabab]

My initial thought was that for some reason it hadn’t been locked but I can see the lights flash as the car is locked and the door was definitely closed, the only thing is that the mirrors hadn’t folded but this isn’t unusual mainly when my wife locks it but it has also happened to me.

Still not heard from the dealer will be interested to see what they say.

[paulockenden]

Shame you don’t have HomeAssistant set up (I assume you don’t) else you’d know exactly when the cat was locked and unlocked. E.g.:

[J-RO]

Originally Posted by paulockenden

Shame you don’t have HomeAssistant set up (I assume you don’t) else you’d know exactly when the cat was locked and unlocked. E.g.:

Not familiar with that.

[paulockenden]

Originally Posted by J-RO

Not familiar with that.

It’s a home automation thing. Oh, and I’ve just noticed the typo in my previous comment. I’ll leave it there for comedy effect!

[Tbkbabab]

[QUOTE=paulockenden;31780745]No, I didn't mean it wasn't unlocked. What I meant was, I don't think THEY unlocked it at the time they opened the vehicle, else you'd have have seen the headlights come on. It must have been unlocked previously, either by them (which you should be able to see on the CCTV), or not properly locked by the last driver (which again you should be able to tell from your CCTV, although you might not want to!)[/QUOTE

I wonder how close they have to be to unlock it, cctv wouldn’t be triggered unless there was movement on the drive or passing the front of the house. If they could do it from 50/60 feet away then could
have been unlocked earlier and out of site of any cameras.

[DaveMc]

Comfort 'access' locks my X1 when I walk away, but when opening, it is hit or miss whether it actually opens or not. I usually operate the drivers door handle and then it all 'springs to life' so to speak, or I just press the key fob. I appreciate the insight in the system discussed in this thread, but I don't trust it 100% and for that reason I will probably continue to use a Faraday bag.

[paulockenden]

Comfort access times out after a couple of days, so it no longer unlocks on approach. This is a security thing. I find it annoying but appreciate WHY they did it like that.

[kenrok1]

Originally Posted by paulockenden

Comfort access times out after a couple of days, so it no longer unlocks on approach. This is a security thing. I find it annoying but appreciate WHY they did it like that.

interesting - that explains a lot... I've been scouring the manual around the comfort access info trying to get a better understanding of the key priority, sequence etc- can't find any mention of this, but I don't doubt it.