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Originally Posted by Crimson92

So explain to me why BMW can't make an fuel efficient na v8. Benz did it. Even if it does shut off half the engine.

It's not that they can't. They just don't want to spend the R&D. BMW's gone cheap.

[epbrown]

Originally Posted by Wraith.

I hate to admit it but the looks, at least this version, are starting to grow on me.

I liked the previous SLK55 much more - the newer, taller noses are ugly (but mandated by pedestrian impact laws, overseas, I believe).

[Cdnrockies]

Originally Posted by epbrown

I liked the previous SLK55 much more - the newer, taller noses are ugly (but mandated by pedestrian impact laws, overseas, I believe).

This applies to all manufacturers so expect to see similar alterations on pretty much everything new.

[stickypaws]

Originally Posted by Cdnrockies

This applies to all manufacturers so expect to see similar alterations on pretty much everything new.

Yeah, the new F10 5-series has a big flat and tall nose, too (look at it from the side next time you see one.)

[epbrown]

Originally Posted by Cdnrockies

This applies to all manufacturers so expect to see similar alterations on pretty much everything new.

Everything new with the engine in the front, yes. Mid-engined and rear-engined cars get a pass.

Oddly, they did the same thing to the SLS but it seems to work better on that one. The blue metallic over tan leather one that Chris Harris is driving in Evo is gorgeous.

[Cdnrockies]

Originally Posted by epbrown

Everything new with the engine in the front, yes. Mid-engined and rear-engined cars get a pass.

Really?

I don't have time right now to search and provide quotes, but I thought these new rules were for pedestrian safety. That is, it is supposed to change the impact when striking a pedestrian from a lower front bumper to a more vertical one? What difference would engine position have on this? If someone could please clarify that would be great.

[stickypaws]

Originally Posted by Cdnrockies

Really?

I don't have time right now to search and provide quotes, but I thought these new rules were for pedestrian safety. That is, it is supposed to change the impact when striking a pedestrian from a lower front bumper to a more vertical one? What difference would engine position have on this? If someone could please clarify that would be great.

They do not "get a pass." I'm not sure why he said that. '

If you want to read the EC directives on the original GTR 9 (global technical regulation #9 on pedestrian safety) then go here and download them: http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/...09R0078:en:NOT

That link above tells you all the details about which vehicles are subject to Regulation (EC) No 78/2009 (scroll down to read the directive; I've also attached it here as a pdf.) As far as the vehicle type codes for which the regulations apply (M1 and N1) you can get those here: http://www.vca.gov.uk/vca//vehiclety...categories.asp

There's nothing about rear or mid-engine; all passenger cars are classified the same and based on weight and carrying capacity (M1 and N1.)

[epbrown]

Originally Posted by stickypaws

They do not "get a pass." I'm not sure why he said that. '

We're already seeing several rear engine and mid-engine cars released under the new regs, like the Ferrari 458 and new Porsche 911. Have you seen the same high front ends we're seeing on front-engined cars?



A large part of the pedestrian protection regs is mandating how much distance is between the front of the car and the engine, so hoods are being designed taller and engines are moving farther back. If the engine isn't up front, the car already exceeds the required distance and such cars get a pass.

[stickypaws]

Originally Posted by epbrown

We're already seeing several rear engine and mid-engine cars released under the new regs, like the Ferrari 458 and new Porsche 911. Have you seen the same high front ends we're seeing on front-engined cars?



A large part of the pedestrian protection regs is mandating how much distance is between the front of the car and the engine, so hoods are being designed taller and engines are moving farther back. If the engine isn't up front, the car already exceeds the required distance and such cars get a pass.

Did you actually read the documents? ...didn't think so.

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I WILL own a 991 911. Time to start saving.

[epbrown]

Originally Posted by stickypaws

Did you actually read the documents? ...didn't think so.

...and you have, but can't be bothered to quote the portions you feel support your argument, right?

[stickypaws]

Originally Posted by epbrown

...and you have, but can't be bothered to quote the portions you feel support your argument, right?

I read them last January. Eur-Lex is a well known EU legal document download site. I've used it a lot in the past. http://eur-lex.europa.eu/en/tools/about.htm

And in my post I pointed out the specifics as to which vehicles are subject to the directives. I even posted a link to the vehicle classifications.

That's why I posted the pdf file, Sparky.

It's all there in the document, and now you want me to type it all out for you? How about you getting off your lazy butt and post your "argument" Geez, what a jerk off.....

This Regulation shall apply to the following:
(a) motor vehicles of category M1 as defined in Article 3(11) of
Directive 2007/46/EC and in point 1 of Section A of Annex II
thereto, subject to paragraph 2 of this Article;
(b) motor vehicles of category N1 as defined in Article 3(11) of
Directive 2007/46/EC and in point 2 of Section A of Annex II

With the increasing number of heavier vehicles being used
on urban roads, it is appropriate that provisions on pedestrian
protection apply not only to vehicles of maximum
mass not exceeding 2 500 kg, but also, after a limited transitional
period, to vehicles of categories M1 and N1 exceeding
that limit.

Category M1: Vehicles designed and constructed for the carriage of passengers and comprising no more than eight seats in addition to the driver's seat.
Category N1: Vehicles designed and constructed for the carriage of goods and having a maximum mass not exceeding 3,5 tonnes.

There is no stipulation for mid engine and rear engine vehicles. And there are too many lazy shits in the world.

[jocamryn]

Originally Posted by TK-421

I doubt they will - they'll say there's no reason because we have the 1M.

But the SLK is impressive for sure.

Oh jeeze... the 1M is not anywhere near the same catagory as this vehicle!

BMW is losing its way trying to 'simplify' production costs by going to the 'same sausage different size' mantra. All BMW will have left are the fanbois if they don't adjust their course soon.