[Dang3r]

Originally Posted by Joekerr

Before I pull the trigger on this, I have to do some research on Bill C-21 up here. Rumour has it airguns could become restricted / prohibited. In no small part due to the fact that they look military. And therefore very very very scary.

We shall see. C-21 is concerning and stupid.

In Germany BB's are legal to use into your own 4 walls, garden, garage or closed playfields for fun. Modi only semi or safe, no full auto allowed for 'adult' BB's, very small and low powered BB's are allowed with full auto. Also a mark of the dealer must be stamped onto the gun as well as a special stamp from German weapons authority, that this model was tested and certified for safe and approved BB use according to all laws here.
Carrying or using in open public space is treated by law like you'll use a real one, forbidden and got punished - righteous.

[jamesinaz]

Originally Posted by Dang3r

Carrying or using in open public space is treated by law like you'll use a real one, forbidden and got punished - righteous.

Smart. I mean how is a policeman to know it's just a BB gun? WHen I read about how an unarmed man was shot by the police and he only had a BB gun it irks me.

I know mine shall be carefully cloistered where no one will ever feel a man with a rifle is running loose.

PS - I wish the USA also had rules as strict as Germany on getting licensed to drive a car. I have heard it is difficult and we could use fewer idiots on our roads.

[Murf993]

Originally Posted by Joekerr

Frick I eyed it for a few days, decided the dpms bb gun is likely going to be a prohibited weapon due to the idiocy of my prime Minister within a year so I ordered it now so I can have fun with the fully automatic feature. I figure if his dumb law gets passed I can always sell it back to him and maybe turn a profit since it will become a firearm under the new proposed legislation and a prohibited one at that which means they will buy it off me.

Now you've done it. I might have to get one of these just for shits and giggles. My wife said no to the flame thrower.

[Joekerr]

Originally Posted by Murf993

Now you've done it. I might have to get one of these just for shits and giggles. My wife said no to the flame thrower.

Tell her its an investment. Either an investment in yourself for the future joy it will bring, or if it becomes prohibited (and you know how stupid Justin is), you'll probably be able to sell it back to him for at least what you bought it for, but probably make a profit on it!

Those are my thoughts anyways. I wound up ordering off crosman.ca - I think it is the official site and the prices were the cheapest. Picked up the special where it comes with a red dot for about $270....and then tacked on some c02 and BBs.

Haven't told the wife though...I know she's not going to be happy so I'm going to seek forgiveness rather than permission.

[upstatedoc]

Originally Posted by Joekerr

Haven't told the wife though...I know she's not going to be happy so I'm going to seek forgiveness rather than permission.

prison I tell you. PRISON!

[Joekerr]

Originally Posted by upstatedoc

prison I tell you. PRISON!

Yeah, but at least in my prison I get conjugal visits...

[REB_TN_15]

+1 on the German driving culture. Unfortunately we Americans don't stand a chance. They admire following rules and we admire breaking them. If only we could somehow instill their belief that the left hand lane is for people going REALLY FAST, and not for doing the speed limit. Germany is such a fun place to drive. . . Sigh . . . .

[Dang3r]

Originally Posted by jamesinaz

Smart. I mean how is a policeman to know it's just a BB gun? WHen I read about how an unarmed man was shot by the police and he only had a BB gun it irks me.

Your BB's into the US and afaik in Far East are sold with orange-red tips at the front of every gun, that should show the non-lethal but toy status. I know few ppl, which painting those black, so the effort is gone.
What you mention is exact the problem, because on first sight you cant judge a BB or a real one, so the law is here very restrictive.

I know mine shall be carefully cloistered where no one will ever feel a man with a rifle is running loose.

I own a ccw license for my pistol and keep it everytime at wearing good conceiled, I would not run into an incident where I got blamed for scaring other people when they awaring that Im armed.

PS - I wish the USA also had rules as strict as Germany on getting licensed to drive a car. I have heard it is difficult and we could use fewer idiots on our roads.

According to some road rage clips I would agree
On the flipside, the drivers license for cars is here meanwhile quite expensive and w/o help of their parents lots of young ppl wont have a chance to get it. But yeah, good drivers schools are must to get safe on the road, thats a fact.

[Joekerr]

Originally Posted by Dang3r

Your BB's into the US and afaik in Far East are sold with orange-red tips at the front of every gun, that should show the non-lethal but toy status. I know few ppl, which painting those black, so the effort is gone.
What you mention is exact the problem, because on first sight you cant judge a BB or a real one, so the law is here very restrictive.



I own a ccw license for my pistol and keep it everytime at wearing good conceiled, I would not run into an incident where I got blamed for scaring other people when they awaring that Im armed.



According to some road rage clips I would agree
On the flipside, the drivers license for cars is here meanwhile quite expensive and w/o help of their parents lots of young ppl wont have a chance to get it. But yeah, good drivers schools are must to get safe on the road, thats a fact.

How expensive - what's the annual fee if that is how it works - I'm curious.

[upstatedoc]

I'm also curious about having a CCW in Germany. I thought they were very strict about firearms.

[REB_TN_15]

Originally Posted by upstatedoc

I'm also curious about having a CCW in Germany. I thought they were very strict about firearms.

Just from having discussions with German citizens it is strict but you can eventually get to what you want. Just costs money and time. They admire good engineering and function, and with all of the German world class gun manufacturers, despite the green party influences they still like guns. IMHO Germany and the US cultures have a lot in common.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by REB_TN_15

+1 on the German driving culture. Unfortunately we Americans don't stand a chance. They admire following rules and we admire breaking them. If only we could somehow instill their belief that the left hand lane is for people going REALLY FAST, and not for doing the speed limit. Germany is such a fun place to drive. . . Sigh . . . .

Yeah just to mirror,signal and manoeuvre seems hard work for some.

[Dang3r]

Originally Posted by Joekerr

How expensive - what's the annual fee if that is how it works - I'm curious.

Theres no annual fee to pay, you'll pay one time for your desired part of driving license(s).
Basically divided in:

Class A (Motorcycles) between 1300 and 1900,- Euros

Class B (Cars up to 7.5t gross weight) between 1500 and 2400,- Euros depends on city and county

Class C (Trucks above 7.5t gross weight plus trailers) between 2500 and 3000,- Euros

Some driving schools are offering combined packages A+B, e.g. summer holiday license making or also for job changers a truck license in connection with busses C+D. For Class C you have to be at least 21 y/o, Class A1 18y/o up to max. 44HP, Class A2 direct entry at 24y/o and unlimited HP, Class B 18y/o and no limits, guarded driving with parents possible at 17y/o.

Originally Posted by upstatedoc

I'm also curious about having a CCW in Germany. I thought they were very strict about firearms.

Originally Posted by REB_TN_15

Just from having discussions with German citizens it is strict but you can eventually get to what you want. Just costs money and time. They admire good engineering and function, and with all of the German world class gun manufacturers, despite the green party influences they still like guns. IMHO Germany and the US cultures have a lot in common.

You would only get a CCW here, when you're be able to show an absolute need to carry one. This could be connected to your job, persona status or other important reasons to consider. You have to pass the German official weapon proficiency test before, which is not easy. After that its to specify for what to use, sporting, hunting or self defense. Believe me, there are plenty more tries to get than at least handed out ones.

[IllSic_Design]

Anyone see Saint Benitez ruled CA assault weapon ban was unconstitutional? 30 day stay in place for CA A.G. to contest it/send it to En Banc panel, which is probably what will happen, but still a big victory so far.

[NorCalAthlete]

Originally Posted by IllSic_Design

Anyone see Saint Benitez ruled CA assault weapon ban was unconstitutional? 30 day stay in place for CA A.G. to contest it/send it to En Banc panel, which is probably what will happen, but still a big victory so far.

I read the entire thing over the weekend. It's worth the time to sit down with a glass of your favorite beverage and peruse it. Even if you live in a free state, he lays a pretty epic smackdown on the entire debate, so-called "experts", etc. Calls them out on their BS, hypocrisy, dependency on political / court shenanigans rather than any basis in logic or law, etc.

Slam dunk if it ever makes it to SCOTUS, but for now we continue to wait...

edit - if you're interested in reading it, here you go:
https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.ne...pdf?1622850515

[Patrick303]

In case anyone else is in the market for a Rugged suppressor right now, they just announced substantial price increases a few weeks ago. Most retailers (like SilencerShop) already reflect the new pricing, but Hansohn Brothers placed an order right before the price increase and they are selling current stock at the original price. They only have a few left so if you're considering one I'd recommend jumping on the deal!

I ordered an Obsidian 9 in FDE yesterday.

[jamesinaz]

Originally Posted by NorCalAthlete

I read the entire thing over the weekend. It's worth the time to sit down with a glass of your favorite beverage and peruse it. Even if you live in a free state, he lays a pretty epic smackdown on the entire debate, so-called "experts", etc. Calls them out on their BS, hypocrisy, dependency on political / court shenanigans rather than any basis in logic or law, etc.

Slam dunk if it ever makes it to SCOTUS, but for now we continue to wait...

edit - if you're interested in reading it, here you go:
https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.ne...pdf?1622850515

IMO the SCOTUS has been ducking the real issue of the 2nd A for a long time. I believe they might be about ready to finally take up the broader case and take a stance on the entire individual right and what types of weapons should be legal.

It could be as ground breaking as Roe v Wade.

And I believe they will side with those who believe it is an individual right AND that firearms suitable to be used in a militia (ala AR15s etc) are covered.

I think 2022 is the year.

[NorCalAthlete]

Originally Posted by jamesinaz

IMO the SCOTUS has been ducking the real issue of the 2nd A for a long time. I believe they might be about ready to finally take up the broader case and take a stance on the entire individual right and what types of weapons should be legal.

It could be as ground breaking as Roe v Wade.

And I believe they will side with those who believe it is an individual right AND that firearms suitable to be used in a militia (ala AR15s etc) are covered.

I think 2022 is the year.

Part of me is like (sung to the tune of 877 cash now):

If you have an AR15 and you need it now
Call Judge Benitez! 9th Circuit suck it!

The other part of me is like "oh that's gonna hurt my wallet and I won't be golfing for a while...I need to save up for when this happens."

[fiveohwblow]

Got my dpms ar15 looking BB gun today. Was all excite. Loaded up a c02 cart, then another. Tightened down and hissssssssss. Mag leaks.



I have disappoint.

[Joekerr]

Originally Posted by Murf993

Now you've done it. I might have to get one of these just for shits and giggles. My wife said no to the flame thrower.

I got mine. I admit there was definitely a few giggles had. You should do it. Crosman sends it with a handy quickloader for free which is a lot better than the alternative of jamming them in by hand. A little cheap though, so not sure how long its going to function for, but while it works, I like it.

Originally Posted by fiveohwblow

Got my dpms ar15 looking BB gun today. Was all excite. Loaded up a c02 cart, then another. Tightened down and hissssssssss. Mag leaks.



I have disappoint.

That sucks! I assume you did it in the correct order, tighten / pierce left one first and then tighten right one. Apparently if you do the right one first, it doesn't work. Mine was all good.

[upstatedoc]

Oh yeah

[fiveohwblow]

Originally Posted by Joekerr

I got mine. I admit there was definitely a few giggles had. You should do it. Crosman sends it with a handy quickloader for free which is a lot better than the alternative of jamming them in by hand. A little cheap though, so not sure how long its going to function for, but while it works, I like it.



That sucks! I assume you did it in the correct order, tighten / pierce left one first and then tighten right one. Apparently if you do the right one first, it doesn't work. Mine was all good.

It more than sucks. Left one is good, right one is the one that’s done. Oh well, back to crossman we goooooo