[The Automotive Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by claykin

Not a chance.

Don't crush my hopes and dreams.

[F32Fleet]

Originally Posted by RENT-A-GOAT

All this will do is add a bit to a monthly payment and put a bit more pressure on to build a deposit up as most BMWs are now leased this is the outcome for most. Just wish BMW would value its actual purchase customers above their rental ones maybe they will with better discounts for purchasers etc. And those of you comparing BMW cars to Porsche models obviously are oblivious to the inflated servicing and running costs over a BMW my boss owns and runs a 911 carrera 2S his servicing bills and tyre bills on the porker are sky high compared to his BMW X5M

BMW wants buyers to buy via CPO and not new.

These price increases have been SOP for years.

[supershaft]

Originally Posted by Mo@BMWofFairfax

Hopefully, the extra difference in paint gets rid of the horrible orange peel.

I was waiting for someone to bring this up.

this won't change a thing. I'm surprised BMW doesn't make us paint the cars after delivery

[SabineBimmer]

Aaaannnnd this is news?

[64-bit]

Im glad that I own my last 16M3, which I will keep it till the wheels fall off.

Tesla has an unbelievable warranty, faster cars and no gas, hummm... + lots of rebates

BMW is definitely taking the wrong turn here in my point of view.

[claykin]

Originally Posted by Mo@BMWofFairfax

Don't crush my hopes and dreams.

To eliminate / or noticeably reduce orange peel means more time in body shop pre and post paint.

[sq86]

More expenses after the USD/EUR has gotten better (it's about 15% better than it was 2 years ago) for BMW. They just had model price increases and now add more and paint too. IMO they're product, other than M cars, has been disappointing in recent years. Not helping with convincing people to stay. This impending car finance bubble is going to bite them hard.

[The Automotive Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by claykin

To eliminate / or noticeably reduce orange peel means more time in body shop pre and post paint.

I mean, if you're charging me $400 more, I would hope it would stay in the shop longer. Mercedes-Benz charged $720 for metallic paint and it's pretty darn good.

[claykin]

Originally Posted by Mo@BMWofFairfax

I mean, if you're charging me $400 more, I would hope it would stay in the shop longer. Mercedes-Benz charged $720 for metallic paint and it's pretty darn good.

I don't disagree, but I doubt the orange peel will go away. Even a $100K M5 has orange peel as does the new 7 series, so it's clearly not on their radar.

The newer water based paints and dry electrostatic processes used may have something to do with the issue.

Also, with modern processes less than 1 gallon of paint is used per car. Base and clear coats are thin as ever. Probably more durable, but thinner.

[NV GUNS]

Why are you guys bickering over $300? BMW already announced that some options will be come standard like on the the G30 soft close doors and auto trunk will be standard (I think there where a few others)that is way more than $300. I think BMW AG has finally got there heads out of there a@#e's and realized crap $20,000 cars have better standard equipment. So that is why I think they are increasing base price.

[amdmaxx]

Originally Posted by NV GUNS

Why are you guys bickering over $300? BMW already announced that some options will be come standard like on the the G30 soft close doors and auto trunk will be standard (I think there where a few others)that is way more than $300. I think BMW AG has finally got there heads out of there a@#e's and realized crap $20,000 cars have better standard equipment. So that is why I think they are increasing base price.

Source?

[NV GUNS]

Originally Posted by amdmaxx

Source?

I think it was this blog, it was like a couple weeks ago I read it but I will research and try to find it for you.

[Patman]

come and take a look on swiss prices for a BMW and you will stay happy with this 300$ more ...

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by ilya335

Wait until you get into a P-car, now that is the superior nickel and dime machine.

Sounds more like maybe he is jumping to Hyundai.

[The Automotive Enthusiast]

Every $1000 is about ~$30 on a lease. Every $1000 spent on options adds roughly ~$15.

[supershaft]

Originally Posted by loveskiing

Sorry to rain on a few parades but here goes:
If you think BMW is shit, why the hell are you still here?
If you think the Porsche is the best car on the planet why the hell are you still here?
If you think car prices are going to go down every year why the hell are you still here?
For me, I love my M3, think it's the shit and think it outperforms most other cars in its price point. It never fails to put a grin on my face from ear to ear...If the price of a car going up $300 is going to tweak your shit, maybe you'd be better off looking at a used Kia, or Hyundai...Just saying is all

Are you not able to read? No one here is complaining about $300 breaking the bank. What the concern is that BMW is charging us more and getting less in return (warranty cuts, etc)

[Bahn360Photo]

Originally Posted by ilya335

Wait until you get into a P-car, now that is the superior nickel and dime machine.

For sure.

A base price Porsche will soon be sold without wheels and tires

[OUGrad05]

Originally Posted by F32Fleet

BMW wants buyers to buy via CPO and not new.

uhh what? Why would they want that?

[F32Fleet]

Originally Posted by OUGrad05

uhh what? Why would they want that?

Supposedly they make more $ overall if the initial sale is a lease because leased cars are usually loaded with options. Years ago there was a blurb from someone affiliated with corporate about the "sales cycle" it maybe it was called the "vehicle life cycle".

Lease first then sell a 2-3 yr old car via CPO.

[stubenhocker]

Originally Posted by RENT-A-GOAT

All this will do is add a bit to a monthly payment and put a bit more pressure on to build a deposit up as most BMWs are now leased this is the outcome for most. Just wish BMW would value its actual purchase customers above their rental ones maybe they will with better discounts for purchasers etc. And those of you comparing BMW cars to Porsche models obviously are oblivious to the inflated servicing and running costs over a BMW my boss owns and runs a 911 carrera 2S his servicing bills and tyre bills on the porker are sky high compared to his BMW X5M

We have 3 BMW's and 1 Porsche 997.2 and the BMW's are NOT cheaper to operate and service compared to the Porker!

[///M-Furby]

Originally Posted by Kyle B

+1, I overhear this almost every time I go the grocery store: "everything is getting to be soooo expensive!"

No guys, your dollar is just losing value. Thanks, Fed. You guys rock.

dollar has gained value against the euro in the past year. prices have gone up steadily in the past year due to their ceo statement they will make 6 bil more.

[Brian_R]

Originally Posted by 64-bit

Im glad that I own my last 16M3, which I will keep it till the wheels fall off.

Tesla has an unbelievable warranty, faster cars and no gas, hummm... + lots of rebates

BMW is definitely taking the wrong turn here in my point of view.

Yeah I'm in the Model 3 line like half a million others. Leasing just doesn't fit our lifestyle so we're a buy it and run it to 200k family. At our current burn rate that's about 7 years a car. I can't imagine what nonsense they'll try to ask for for the X7 and how that compares to the GLS and XC90.