[erickonphoenix]

Originally Posted by Mason Hatcher

"unsafe braking?" There is no such charge in Texas. I would have fought that.

She looked into it but could not find an attorney to take the case. In fact our own insurance company was completely unhelpful. Not to mention 50/50 fault was also a new one to me. I guess to cut down on the "dive and squat" scams is my best guess.

[eliphil]

Originally Posted by vreihen16

I take it that you've never been to a drive-in movie theater, or parked in a quiet place with that special someone and wanted some music?????

Uhmm is this an attempt at humor? For most people’s day to day needs it sure would be nice if BMW just allowed the radio to shut off when the car door opens after you shut down the car. Stick to your day job…..

[vreihen16]

<---- Owns a BMW that shuts completely down as soon as the driver door is open.

[kscarrol]

^ So does my ‘21 X3….

[dradernh]

tldr; my car has no technology that I do not like. I love my car!

I'm pleased and satisfied that the HVAC on my car is easily and manually adjustable and that I can choose radio stations via its iDrive rotary knob.

I have no idea what else my car offers in the way of... Since whatever I'm missing isn't anything I'm missing – whatever that may be – there's nothing for me to dislike.

Mine is a superb car just the way it is.

[UncleWede]

Paging cmyx6go or is she still writing her treatise?

2019 Highlander has start/stop. Luckily not available on my 23 Tacoma.

I WISH my radio would stay on after I turn off the key though. Gathering my stuff, putting the sun shield, can't stand to hear myself sing.

[cmyx6go]

Originally Posted by UncleWede

Paging cmyx6go or is she still writing her treatise?

2019 Highlander has start/stop. Luckily not available on my 23 Tacoma.

I WISH my radio would stay on after I turn off the key though. Gathering my stuff, putting the sun shield, can't stand to hear myself sing.

I wasn't going to chime in as others have said it, and Alfisti for the win! I hate it all. Bring back hydraulic steering and analog instrument clusters. Give me nav, bluetooth and that's about it. Luckily my auto start stop doesn't have to be shut each drive. I shut it once and forgot it. Most of the safety features are a pain in the ass. I've had false positives on the emergency braking on the highway with no one in front of me. Pole position at a red light, light changed and I nailed it only to have the brakes come on. It's a good thing no one was close behind me. It has also happened coming around a curve to the left when a car was parked on the right.

I was OK with the lane departure in my 2019 when the steering wheel would vibrate if I was drifting out of my lane. Now in the 2022, it automatically pulls you over. I shut that shit off. The only time I drift is if I am avoiding a pothole or dodging someone drifting into my lane. And with so much construction, it can't differentiate between the temporary lane markings.

I think the car manufacturers /gov't are putting this tech in for those that don't pay attention when they drive. It's pretty ironic that at the same time they put in all these safety features they are doing away with buttons and forcing you to pay less attention to the road and actually driving.

You happy now, UncleWede

[Mason Hatcher]

Originally Posted by kscarrol

^ So does my ‘21 X3….

as does my 23

[ASAP]

i wouldn't say tech that I dislike but more tech just seems to be unnecessary-

1) auto start stop... this offers no value to anyone... especially mpg

2) in car navigation from the manufacturer... with apple car play and android auto, you are automatically on the losing side of the equation with updates etc

3) self park - it doesn't really work and who actually uses it?

4) bmw gesture control - what and why lol?

5) any bmw voice controls... they are so slow compared to siri in the iphone i just dont want to use them

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

This could take me a long time so I am going to list my hates and not explain why, if anyone ants to l know more on a specific item, i will elaborate. I am referencing a 2013 X3, 2019 Stelvio and several rentals as "newer cars" I have regularly driven. My DD is a 2008 Saab and my fun car a 2009 911.

This is in no particular order;

• Foot on the brake to start the car
• Key fobs
• Auto Braking
• Lane Assist
• Climate Control
• Whatever it is that makes the decision that air shall only be directed to the windshield (to remove condensation) if it is in full blown hot mode.... or it simply won't direct air there
• Collision warning
• Seatbelt warning
• Touchscreen controls for anything related to HVAC or radio volume
• Radio pre-sets that are not hard buttons
• Lack of a dipstick
• Stop/start
• Throttle lag
• Trunk won't open until car is off
• Beeping because a door is open
• Beeping because the key fob is with someone who left the car for 3 minutes
• "Digital" handles/locks, hard to describe but the trunk on my saab it's a sort of .... i dunno.. unusual pad with huge lag to unlock the hatch, it's not mechanical/analog
• electric hand brake (Soooo much lag)

Believe it or not there is a theme here, well two. 1) I despise digital lag, I absolutely loathe pressing something then either not being sure it will work or waiting for it to work, like hands free faucets for example

2) I want control over my device and anything that takes away from that control infuriates me as it stops me from executing my task.

By far and away the dumbest of the above is the hot air only for condensation, on a rainy day it is utter, utterly absurd. One MUST direct air there or one cannot drive but on full hot air the cabin gets incredibly hot, so you open a window and get soaked. It's utterly fucking stupid and I will die on this fucking hill. Idiots.

i dont think you can own a car newer than 20 years old

[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by ASAP

i dont think you can own a car newer than 20 years old

CLose. My DD is 08, my fun car 09. When I drive my wife's 19 I lose my fucking mind. Nothing but stress.

[M_Six]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

CLose. My DD is 08, my fun car 09. When I drive my wife's 19 I lose my fucking mind. Nothing but stress.

I'd be happy with my 2001 E39, except it would have a half million miles on it by now.

[UncleWede]

When I really want to get away, I drive the 77 Beetle or ride my custom softtail. The only navigation is what's left of my grey matter.

[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by cmyx6go

I think the car manufacturers /gov't are putting this tech in for those that don't pay attention when they drive. It's pretty ironic that at the same time they put in all these safety features they are doing away with buttons and forcing you to pay less attention to the road and actually driving.

The whole system is fucking stupid, this tech creates lazy drivers and encourages folks to pay less than 100pc attention to driving. However, safety ratings INCLUDE the number of tech doodads a vehicle has so you get marked down if you don't have all that shite I mentioned above. So manufacturers jam it all in to get their 5 stars. Try finding a safety rating that only shows the actual fucking crash results, it's harder than you think but it is all i am concerned about, everything else is fluff.

[Mason Hatcher]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

The whole system is fucking stupid, this tech creates lazy drivers and encourages folks to pay less than 100pc attention to driving. However, safety ratings INCLUDE the number of tech doodads a vehicle has so you get marked down if you don't have all that shite I mentioned above. So manufacturers jam it all in to get their 5 stars. Try finding a safety rating that only shows the actual fucking crash results, it's harder than you think but it is all i am concerned about, everything else is fluff.

You're wrong. Most drivers don't pay attention, regardless of the tech you dislike. The fact is that these systems reduce crashes.

But keep yelling at clouds if it makes you feel better.

[dizz81]

Originally Posted by Mason Hatcher

You're wrong. Most drivers don't pay attention, regardless of the tech you dislike. The fact is that these systems reduce crashes.

But keep yelling at clouds if it makes you feel better.

How's he wrong?

People already started to get distracted with being on their phones all the time. Now you have cars that decide literally everything for you. People have gotten stupid when it comes to driving.

Just for context I spend around 3 to 4 hours driving when I need to head in to the office (usually twice a week). I see a LOT of stupid ass people on the road that have no concept of what it means to drive properly anymore.

People forget that in inclement weather (rain, fog, etc) you're supposed to have your lights on and that "auto" lights in most cars won't turn on automatically, especially in fog.

Watching people merge into other vehicles when the "safety" lights on their mirrors are lit up is another one I see ALL the time. I've witnessed multiple Tesla's merge into other cars and those cars have the most amount of "safety" cameras and warnings to let the driver know "Don't do it!" but guess what, doesn't matter.

Point being if you're a shitty driver, distracted, or relying on your car to drive for you (which brings on the laziness and lack of needed attention to the road), nothing is going to stop you from messing up your day or somebody else's day.

[ezaircon4jc]

Originally Posted by Mason Hatcher

You're wrong. Most drivers don't pay attention, regardless of the tech you dislike. The fact is that these systems reduce crashes.

But keep yelling at clouds if it makes you feel better.

Is that why insurance companies quit giving an ABS discount?

[vreihen16]

Sometimes, we have to let natural selection run its course.....

[Mason Hatcher]

Originally Posted by dizz81

How's he wrong?

People already started to get distracted with being on their phones all the time. Now you have cars that decide literally everything for you. People have gotten stupid when it comes to driving.

That's where you are both wrong. People have always been distracted. The Tech makes us all safer.

Just for context I spend around 3 to 4 hours driving when I need to head in to the office (usually twice a week). I see a LOT of stupid ass people on the road that have no concept of what it means to drive properly anymore.

Your sentence should be before the word "anymore". There have always been these people.

People forget that in inclement weather (rain, fog, etc) you're supposed to have your lights on and that "auto" lights in most cars won't turn on automatically, especially in fog.

Well, that's not true. Most modern systems automatically turn on headlights in those conditions, if the switch is set.

Watching people merge into other vehicles when the "safety" lights on their mirrors are lit up is another one I see ALL the time. I've witnessed multiple Tesla's merge into other cars and those cars have the most amount of "safety" cameras and warnings to let the driver know "Don't do it!" but guess what, doesn't matter.

How many people don't merge or change lanes BECAUSE of those lights? You don't have a clue.

Point being if you're a shitty driver, distracted, or relying on your car to drive for you (which brings on the laziness and lack of needed attention to the road), nothing is going to stop you from messing up your day or somebody else's day.

Yep. and the modern tech makes us safer.

[Mason Hatcher]

Originally Posted by ezaircon4jc

Is that why insurance companies quit giving an ABS discount?

I'm not aware that they did, but it is probably because ABS has been mandatory for over a decade and is no longer a "special feature".

[dradernh]

Originally Posted by Mason Hatcher

People have always been distracted.

This reminds me of the days when ads for used cars that had them would include the phrase "radio and heater".

[dizz81]

Originally Posted by Mason Hatcher

That's where you are both wrong. People have always been distracted. The Tech makes us all safer.

Your sentence should be before the word "anymore". There have always been these people.

Well, that's not true. Most modern systems automatically turn on headlights in those conditions, if the switch is set.

How many people don't merge or change lanes BECAUSE of those lights? You don't have a clue.


Yep. and the modern tech makes us safer.

You're clearly one who just loves to argue their point regardless if they using logic or actual experience.

I'll just bring up one of your points regarding the lights. The lights don't work as they should for MOST cars. Yeah they'll turn on at night, sure absolutely. But when it rains or is foggy out, they absolutely do not. Some NEWER vehicles have lights that turn on when you turn on the wipers but that's NEWER vehicles. Not everyone on the road is driving a 2024 model car (this isn't an exact year just a throw-out year date).

Tech might be helping make SOME things safer but at the same time, it is absolutely making people less aware and more incompetent when it comes to driving and paying attention to what they should be doing on the road.