[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by XutvJet

Most cars aren't on the road after 10 years.

Um, what? This is the most insane take I've ever heard, lol. Maybe it's just a skew coming from domestics, but 10 years old on a Vette is like nothing to them. 20 years old is nothing to a Corvette, lol.

[JABCAT]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

Um, what? This is the most insane take I've ever heard, lol. Maybe it's just a skew coming from domestics, but 10 years old on a Vette is like nothing to them. 20 years old is nothing to a Corvette, lol.

Agreed. If properly maintained, most cars will stay running forever.
Last year my son (14) bought a 2003 Jeep Wrangler X. 2-owner with the 1st owner keeping it 17 years. All maintenance records, stock, no rust, no dents, dings, or damage of any kind, and runs great with 156k mi on it. We've added new wheels & tires, aftermarket headlights, heated seats, and some other accessories. Now he just needs his license so he can drive it

[XutvJet]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

Um, what? This is the most insane take I've ever heard, lol. Maybe it's just a skew coming from domestics, but 10 years old on a Vette is like nothing to them. 20 years old is nothing to a Corvette, lol.

Don't be mad at the messenger. The typical lifespan of a new vehicle is approximately 8 to 10 years or 150,000 miles. Only around 20% of the cars on the road in the US are 20 years or older.

Sure, you can pick up a 20+ y/o used low mileage well maintained C5 Vette in great condition. I'm talking typical cars that people drive daily in all conditions.

And 20 years is something to a Vette. I should know, before looking at getting my 2011 Cayman, I was dead set on getting a nice C5 Z06 and was on the hunt for over a year and learning everything I could about them. A good friend has had one for 15 years and talked me out of it. Why? Because their rubber and electrical parts rot and replacement parts are becoming hard to find and there isn't much reproduction out there. Good luck trying to find door/body seals, windshield seals, ABS system parts, etc.

[user12464]

I love Porsche sports cars. But most of them are garage queens, both because of price and practicality. The use case for 911s, especially the more desirable models like GT3, is getting closer to exotics, which is too bad. Getting to be like Ferrari where no one wants to put miles on them. As someone else said, most are a status car. Depends what you want though. But M cars split the difference between daily driver and fast, track capable sports car. Also don't get the attention as most people see an M3 as just a nice looking 3 series. And for me that was a better choice.

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by XutvJet

Don't be mad at the messenger. The typical lifespan of a new vehicle is approximately 8 to 10 years or 150,000 miles. Only around 20% of the cars on the road in the US are 20 years or older.

Sure, you can pick up a 20+ y/o used low mileage well maintained C5 Vette in great condition. I'm talking typical cars that people drive daily in all conditions.

And 20 years is something to a Vette. I should know, before looking at getting my 2011 Cayman, I was dead set on getting a nice C5 Z06 and was on the hunt for over a year and learning everything I could about them. A good friend has had one for 15 years and talked me out of it. Why? Because their rubber and electrical parts rot and replacement parts are becoming hard to find and there isn't much reproduction out there. Good luck trying to find door/body seals, windshield seals, ABS system parts, etc.

Your friend is just flat out wrong. The boomers on the Corvette forums say this a lot, because they roll up to their local Chevy dealer and ask for a part and expect it to be on the shelf.

There's almost every part you could ever want available if you use Google. Add in the massive amount of cars made and dismantled, they're a cakewalk to keep running, especially since they don't break very much.

Your buddy talked you into the wrong car.

[G30M]

Originally Posted by dgoldenz

997.2 GTS or 991.1 GTS is where you want to be.

thanks, why do you say that? thanks

[eliphil]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

Fair.

To be totally honest, the only 997.1 worth buying (for good money) is the turbo IMO. The only 996 worth buying (for good money) is a 997 Turbo IMO. Obviously many disagree with me. But a cheap 996/997.1 with a stick makes sense.

You guys are more tech savvy than me but it certainly made me pause knowing so many engines failed and Porsche didn’t stand behind their cars.

[dgoldenz]

Originally Posted by G30M

thanks, why do you say that? thanks

Best combination of looks/power/daily usability with an NA engine. I’m on my 8th or 9th 911 and the 997.2 GTS might be my favorite overall (which includes 991.1 GT3 and 992 GTS that both cost much more).

These two models will also hold their resale best in the future IMO

[Brandoch]

Definitely a cool time in my life to a part of a forum that accepts free discussion of what was once a very taboo subject.

The winner of "First world problems" thread goes to.....
-drumroll-

Not me knowing that this comment is the closest I'll come to participating in this type of thread.

[Honda]

Originally Posted by dgoldenz

Best combination of looks/power/daily usability with an NA engine. I’m on my 8th or 9th 911 and the 997.2 GTS might be my favorite overall (which includes 991.1 GT3 and 992 GTS that both cost much more).

These two models will also hold their resale best in the future IMO

I completely disagree. I owned a 997.2 GTS while it was great weekend car, it is not better than any GT3.

I would still pick an M3 on a Porsche if the car is a daily driver.

[XutvJet]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

Your friend is just flat out wrong. The boomers on the Corvette forums say this a lot, because they roll up to their local Chevy dealer and ask for a part and expect it to be on the shelf.

There's almost every part you could ever want available if you use Google. Add in the massive amount of cars made and dismantled, they're a cakewalk to keep running, especially since they don't break very much.

Your buddy talked you into the wrong car.

LOL. The guy is 40 and owns his own PDR business. Does all the work on his cars. He owns a SC'd 2000 C5 Z06 with 1100whp, SC'd 600whp S2000, 2015 Viper GTS, 2018 911, 2024 AMG 63 GT, 1980 GMC square body, and a 1st gen Ridgeline. Minus the AMG, he's maintained and modded his cars. He is an absolute wealth of automotive knowledge, straight shooter, and brutally honest. He's no Boomer and knows all the good and bad that goes with maintaining a C5.

And yeah, like I said, I researched the crap out of the C5 and it's parts. Drivetrain parts are easy. It's the body stuff that has become unobtainium, especially for the FRCs, used parts or new.

[Predatar]

An interesting topic for sure with lots of thoughtful opinions so far.

I never understood why it was assumed one would “graduate” to a 911 after owning an M car.

I really like 911’s but not at their current price point. For others, it’s inconsequential — I get that.

Great cars for sure, but it’s hard to ignore the value proposition to me personally the G80 offers compared to base or even S 911. My G82 superior in every way for the things I value.

But like most things of the heart, it’s all relative and subjective 🏎️

[dgoldenz]

Originally Posted by Honda

I completely disagree. I owned a 997.2 GTS while it was great weekend car, it is not better than any GT3.

I would still pick an M3 on a Porsche if the car is a daily driver.

I said it’s a better car for daily use, which it is. I had a GT3. Great car, but found myself not driving it enough because it wasn’t great for short trips or daily use and suspension is more harsh than a GTS. As with anything, depends what you want out of the car. If you want max excitement get a GT3, if you want to drive it everywhere get a NA GTS.

[dgoldenz]

Originally Posted by Predatar

An interesting topic for sure with lots of thoughtful opinions so far.

I never understood why it was assumed one would “graduate” to a 911 after owning an M car.

I really like 911’s but not at their current price point. For others, it’s inconsequential — I get that.

Great cars for sure, but it’s hard to ignore the value proposition to me personally the G80 offers compared to base or even S 911. My G82 superior in every way for the things I value.

But like most things of the heart, it’s all relative and subjective 🏎️

But if you have the money for both your cost of ownership for the 911 will likely be lower because the BMW is going to continue depreciating and you can pretty easily drive a 911 for free or close to it if you know what you’re doing, know market values and desirable options/color combos/etc.

I’ve had tons of cars and no way I’d take any BMW over a 911, but that’s just me. The 911 is just the best all around sports car you can buy. It’s not really comparable to an M3 IMO, very different experiences.

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by XutvJet

LOL. The guy is 40 and owns his own PDR business. Does all the work on his cars. He owns a SC'd 2000 C5 Z06 with 1100whp, SC'd 600whp S2000, 2015 Viper GTS, 2018 911, 2024 AMG 63 GT, 1980 GMC square body, and a 1st gen Ridgeline. Minus the AMG, he's maintained and modded his cars. He is an absolute wealth of automotive knowledge, straight shooter, and brutally honest. He's no Boomer and knows all the good and bad that goes with maintaining a C5.

And yeah, like I said, I researched the crap out of the C5 and it's parts. Drivetrain parts are easy. It's the body stuff that has become unobtainium, especially for the FRCs, used parts or new.

Body parts like what? The FRC is literally a convertible with a factory hard top. If you can't find a body part for a C5, you're just not looking hard enough.

Early C5s can have EBCM issues, and those aren't super easy to find. But you can convert them to the later EBCM and those can be fixed easily on the aftermarket.

Maybe your friend isn't a clueless boomer, I don't know him. But if he isn't, he lied to you for whatever reason. The cars are super durable and the parts you can expect to go bad are easy to find. Another big perk is literally everything for them is documented, because unlike a lot of BMWs and Porsches and other more expensive cars, a lot of Vette owners do their own work. Not that there are no Porsche or BMW owners that do, but there's probably more per capita in vettes. There's boatloads of videos on YouTube an dposts on the internet of how to do just about everything for them.

[M_Bimmer]

....then there is....

1. Getting in and out....
2. Dropping the bumper for the air filter change
3. The annual oil change isn't bad if you do it yourself, but bend over for the dealership bill if you don't
4. It is just me where the Frunk opens up randomly with the key in your pocket?
5. The scraping of the front lip is a daily occurrence (sometimes multiples times a day)
6. Why does everyone try to race? Sheesh.
7. W/o a clear bra, expect a lot of road rash, so don't get this car to expect it to stay "factory" (unless you don't drive it...my headlights are nicely "sand-blasted"...which then defeats the reason to own a 911

....did I miss any?

[blkfast3]

Traded my M4 Comp for an allocation I got for a 992 Carrera S. Manual aero kit and a ton of options.

I regret having done this and have since sold the 911. To me personally the Porsche was dull. You have to drive it so hard to feel like it’s special. Sure the handling is great and fit and finish is nice. But at 193k plus tax for a C2S it certainly isn’t worth the money.

GT3 is the one to have if going 911 but those are also basically Ferrari 488/F8 money with new price increase. And the Ferrari is much more fun to drive.

[dgoldenz]

Originally Posted by blkfast3

Traded my M4 Comp for an allocation I got for a 992 Carrera S. Manual aero kit and a ton of options.

I regret having done this and have since sold the 911. To me personally the Porsche was dull. You have to drive it so hard to feel like it’s special. Sure the handling is great and fit and finish is nice. But at 193k plus tax for a C2S it certainly isn’t worth the money.

GT3 is the one to have if going 911 but those are also basically Ferrari 488/F8 money with new price increase. And the Ferrari is much more fun to drive.

Felt the same way about the 992 GTS. Too fast, too smooth, too good, too refined, not as much fun as the older NA cars. Didn’t think it was worth the $170k when a 991.1 was $100k and a 997.2 was $80-100k

[G30M]

Sorry guys, 718 Spyder 6MT for me. But only in my dreams.

[blkfast3]

Originally Posted by dgoldenz

Felt the same way about the 992 GTS. Too fast, too smooth, too good, too refined, not as much fun as the older NA cars. Didn’t think it was worth the $170k when a 991.1 was $100k and a 997.2 was $80-100k

That too was the problem for me. Too good and to smooth. I picked up a C8 Z06 with Z07 pack and it’s sooo much more fun to drive. And the exhaust note is amazing.

Still have my F95 X5M as a daily but I find myself taking the Z06 for a drive a lot more lately 😂

[baege]

Originally Posted by blkfast3

GT3 is the one to have if going 911 but those are also basically Ferrari 488/F8 money with new price increase. And the Ferrari is much more fun to drive.

not if you value the viscerality, sound and responsiveness of a naturally aspirated engine.

[blkfast3]

Originally Posted by baege

not if you value the viscerality, sound and responsiveness of a naturally aspirated engine.

As I have stated above. If you are going 911 the GT3 is the one to have.

It’s all personal preference. Having driven both GT3 and 488/F8 I personally would go with the Ferrari. To me it’s more fun to drive. Not knocking the GT3 but Porsche is overhyped by a bunch of fanboys.