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I'm sure however M could do something to get extra performance from the i8, through the aero and suspension, but it would probably compromise what BMW-i is about, and the last thing BMW want to do is to confuse the message of what the i8 is.. especially given that many people commenting here are already stumped by i. |
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Plenty of room to improve the quickness of the i8 as battery technology improves over the next few years. The 3 banger is probably close to topping out, but I can see some potential in the electric drivetrain.
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He said there will be no M-i collaboration basically.
HE DID NOT SAY there wouldn't be an M-car based on the i-8 platform!!
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09-16-2013, 10:26 AM | #49 | |
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For BMW M. This is a perfect opportunity to create a new icon. The M3 Coupe is dead. So stop prolonging the wake , others want to get on with their lives. BMW M4 will be a new icon because it tackles a major concern with enthusiasts the world over and that is the weight reduction. It progresses on from the initial Implementation car the BMW M3 CSL to refinement , BMW M3 E92 to extensive progress - BMW M4 Coupe. A reveal of specification is due very soon , so I will not give the entire news away , but a lot of progress in utilising CFRP is in the BMW M4 Coupe. And this progress is defined by the BMW i3 and BMW i8. We could have invested a lot of money into a forgettable high speed disco express with little return or we could invest in our future to safeguard independence. Independence from interference from a parent company which means when they sneeze their brands all catch colds. BMW justified investment in sustainability and product. Product that sells in huge numbers, engineering solutions that can define a particular series of models and lead to expansion of further models. A super sports car can take up that amount of money best used for other ideas, but eventually there is progress and then someone makes you forgettable. With an ever changing world due to legislation being imposed on manufactures there is only one solution , adapt or die. The BMW i8 brief was to conceive something of an age where legislation would make a sports car obsolete. And we had to travel into that mindset to determine the strategy for the car. The i8 was originally tested back to back with both petrol and diesel but with major markets to consider the petrol won through. The three cylinder engine in the i8 is not the same three cylinder coming to the new MINI. This is a special performance variant that gives the car its performance. The i8 is a very fast car , due to its lightweight construction and aerodynamics This is not a city car in a kit car replica body. This is the real deal , the i8 is as we state a progressive sports car. As in every aspect of technology there is always progress further down the line and of course BMWi will not be any different in learning and adapting. If we consider the reaction especially in regards to Teslas success in the EV Market.? I admire Elon Musks business strategy and I am sure he likes the challenge and is probably grateful for the BMWi cars because Tesla now have a challenger in individual sustainability and of course this will get interesting for both companies. As regards to nothing significant in the i3 and i8? The car's stress individuality and are not an existing concept electrified. BMWi investment incorporates infrastructure to support the cars. The cars define a new factor of "New Premium" a progression of a luxury premium brand. The BMW i3 is the worlds first "volume" production car to use a body structure fabricated out of CFRP. Our competitors admit they are not even close to that level of CFRP for a volume car. Both BMW i3 and i8 are BMWs with great dynamics. BMW with the i3 and i8 will reach emission targets before their competitors. Mass volume of CFRP within BMW is far more cost effective for implementation with other brands under BMW. BMW M will use the genes of the i3 and i8 in the next generation of M cars. The BMWi investment now moves into the core BMW brand with the development of the most technologically advanced 7er yet in under two years time. In amongst the introduction of new tech such as laser light technology , autonomous drive and driver passenger HUD with windscreen projection. The 7er uses new composite structure utilising aluminium, hard pressed steel , magnesium and CFRP. Body panels will be manufactured from CFRP and like the i8 CFRP wheels will be featured. The next 7er will be significant lighter than today's car. Again all possible because of progress and investment . And then the next generations all benefit. Is it any wonder why BMW have been branded as the most innovative luxury manufacture over Audi and Mercedes-Benz?
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I think a more realistic long-term cycle is that technologies developed as part of the i brand begin to find their way in to the primary BMW line up, as well as M automobiles. I'm not suggesting a wholesale transplant of drivelines or anything, but as technologies are proven and refined, it will begin to make sense. For example, what happens when battery (or an alternative energy storage) technology advances to the point that there is a raw performance benefit to energy recovery systems? At some point, it will seem obvious that a performance car should not waste the energy spent slowing the automobile down. At this point, the line between i and M becomes blurred. When the execs say "never", they mean "not for the foreseeable future". The latter phrase is a conspiracy theorist's perennial favorite, however, so executives avoid it. I think in this case, "never" is meant to add clarity to the direction of the i and M brands, not as a definition of timelines.
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Yes make M versions of all the upcoming FWD cars, SUV's, 7-Series etc... And while we are at it, bring the Rolls Royce Phantom M660iXdriveL to life. But don't build a M1, Z4 M or anything that real enthusiasts -the exact same group of buyers who made BMW big- care about or want.
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That's how M division save weight. Effective, cheap and straight forward. Aerodynamic? Of course this i8 is more aerodynamic than any M car and that's because except the M1 every single M car has been based on a production car. Efficiency in drivetrain? I'm not sure what you mean. |
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I'm fairly sure BMW did not get ''big" selling M1's or ZxM's... I think it was probably more to do with high volume sales of core 3-er, 5-er and X product lines, being bought by people who are not "real enthusiasts", but just people who want a nice car. Also I doubt BMW will make M versions of all the upcoming FWD cars, or the 7 series, and probably not the entire SUV line, and I'm pretty sure they also won't touch the Rolls-Royce brand with the M name, or infact any BMW model nomenclature. But yes you're plainly correct, BMW obviously don't build "anything that real enthusiasts" care about ... how will they ever survive without a few hundred Z4M sales per year...</sarcasm> edit: Quote:
.. also.. cheap? The CSL was 40-50% MORE expensive than the M3. Last edited by Matski; 09-16-2013 at 11:53 AM.. |
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Yes. Between translation iPad pre-emptive text the meaning became mixed.
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I don't think BMW wants to do M version of i8. As of right now, they are pointing out that i8 is a brand new product and not a electrified version of existing concept. If we build a M version of i8, it won't be much different than what they don't want specifically. |
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Scott keeps mentioning the goal to stay independent so BMW is not ran like Volkswagen.
If you ask me, Volkswagen Group single handedly ruined brands of Lamborghini and Bentley. I was shocked to find out that Lamborghini's, historically performance rear-wheel drive cars are AWD today because you know why. Bentley Continental GT is AWD as well, after being RWD for all its history. Porsche will get there soon, well, they are already half way there with SUV and Sedan. Audi has been ruined since the beginning with FWD "luxury" cars. BUT, isn't BMW already doing it? Isn't the reason we're making FWD BMWs Mini? And when (not if) BMW is part of a bigger group in the future, I cannot wait to read something along the lines of "being part of this group will provide BMW with abundant resources that will allow us to stay at top as well as allowing us to build cars such as successor to M1 and be much more efficient by sharing platforms which is becoming more and more important in saving production costs, blah blah." The same nonsense BMW gave us after saying BMW will NEVER make FWD cars. Now they say how fun MINIs are to drive and how they get raving reviews. Well, we don't give a shit how well you can make FWD cars drive. Laws of physics can't be beat and the stigma of FWD that YOU helped create will still be there. |
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Scott, is there any talk about making "cup" streetable r compound tires available as an option from the factory, and a bolt-in roll bar from the performance catalog, the way Porsche does? |
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The M4 Concept shown here features additional accessories that will be offered via the M Performance accessories line. There will be additional exterior and interior equipment for M4 Coupe and M3.
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alryt BMW then don't make an i ///M car. but please make an ///M8! a superduper M car that can compare with the Lamborghini Aventador, Ferrari F12 Berlinetta or 458 italia, and any other supercar out there!!
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I hope the specifications back that up, and it is not another case of it being 100lbs lighter but only if you compare it to an equally equipped E92. Last edited by bimmerjph; 09-16-2013 at 03:24 PM.. |
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Surprising that he is so dismissive. Certainly Porsche are converging electric and performance. Aka 918 fastest ring lap ever.
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But then again, the tech probably has to be developed anyway to help "future proof" the brand and passing costs through to mega rich customers under the guise of "fastest ring time ever" is a smart way to do business |
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