[midwest 340xi 6sp]

Originally Posted by Law

Yay, more real M cars!

Amen....

[Yeineken]

An X3M sounds nice.

[pokerface]

So why would the X3M be G01 based but carry F97 designation? Isn't that moving somewhat backwards?

[den525]

Originally Posted by xlover

Why the hesitation on bringing this to the US market... i feel like a 2 sedan M performance would pull in alot of younger/entry buyers who can only afford a 320. But want the "top of the line" feel. Vs bargain step feel.

If only that's true than a m2 is the same price as 320

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by gmfive

I suspect we will see even more //M brand dilution. The german manufacturers are going all out to displace the japanese. No problem with that, just don't add more volume to //M models. The die hard //M fans will likely defect to Porsche and Mclaren.

" brand dilution " ??? that's so 2000s...

Like it or not,... BMW and The M brand have never been stronger... unless in the last 5 years... apparently your M5 sucks.. The current F80 M4 and M3 apparently also blow chunks, .. and the 1M..... well.. we know at least IT doesn't suck .. but that stuff about the M235.. Ten best? Gotta be wrong.... And you KNOW the M2 is just gonna be a total flop.... and that M4 GTS ... it still can't beat the top 911 GT 3 RSs around the ring... what's a Bimwad too do?

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Doctor///M

This.

WORKS FOR ME!

If Porsche can have twenty one different 911 models and be fine, BMW can have 100 model variations and still kick ass.

Keep em coming BMW AG AND NA!! I want an M2 CSL

[Doctor///M]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

WORKS FOR ME! SHUT UP AND SIT DOWN if you don't want any of them ...
If Porsche can have twenty one different 911 models and be fine, BMW can have 100 model variations and still kick ass.

Keep em coming BMW AG AND NA!! I want an M2 CSL

Funny, my local chapter president started making a comment about BMW catering too much to the masses at the annual dinner last month which he soon cut short. I see your point and I've considered writing to him about that. Maybe I will.

Either way, don't take the meme personally. Bring on the 2 Series Gran Tourer ///M!

[SickFinga]

Originally Posted by BimmerMat135

Is the Us 30d = Eu 20d?

Yes it is

Originally Posted by mkoesel

Maybe the unlikely will happen and we'll get the ROW *25d engine with ~220hp.

Unfortunately it is not happening.

Originally Posted by Shredicus

Clubsport maybe?

Originally Posted by 535DMSport

Club Sport model, same with E46 M3 CS.

Clubsport was not available on the E46 M3. Clubsport was a package for the non-M 3 series (E36 and E46). It was also a package and not a separate model. The E46 M3 CS was how Competition Package was marketed in the UK. It was a marketing creation of BMW UK, but at the end of the day it was simply an E46 M3 + S7MAA option code.

[DETSGTSTARSKY]

February 2016 update:

• F97 X3M (G01 based) and F98 X4M (G02 based) are coming.
• i3, in addition to the bigger battery, will get another (sportier?) version called i3s
• F82 M4 CS (Clubsport) is apparently a thing. No idea how it's gonna be different from the standard M4.
• 760i (without the M) has been finally dropped.
• US market G01 X3 diesel is now called xDrive30d instead of xDrive28d. Still could be no more than badge engineering.
• I15 i8 Roadster is real.

When would the F97 X3M be available to order? Does it mean in two to four years?

[deemo319]

Originally Posted by F83

Ugh. Too many damn Ms. BMW is clearly going to dilute that brand.

BMW is growing and all other associated businesses must also grow. This includes BMW M GmbH which also manages BMW Individual, BMW Individual Manufaktuer, M Performance and BMW Driver Training.

Each of these businesses must grow.

Example:

BMW M GmbH sold 31,282 M models in 2013, a 14 percent increase over 2012.

BMW M must keep pace with Mercedes-AMG whose sales were 32,200 units in the same year (2013).

Jump to 2015, BMW M sold around 63,000 vehicles globally with the M in the name, which is an increase by approximately 40 percent over the previous year.

That number includes M Performance Automobiles like the M135i or M550d which are not sold in the U.S market.

The BMW M3, M4, M5, M6, X5 M and X6 M accounted for around 35,000 vehicles.

The largest market for M cars continue to be the US, UK and Germany with a 65 percent increase compared to 2014.

If you look at the numbers, BMW M is not diluted but expanded.

If BMW M GmbH only had an M3, M4, M5 and M6 it couldn't grow its business which means no M2, definitely no M4 GTS and that's a hell no on the M4 CSL.

The X5 M and X6 M are world-class performers and extremely competitive against competitors and perceived competitors.

They are also very profitable for BMW M and which also helps with development of other models.

The upcoming X3 M and X4 M are very easy to see coming in the near future, as BMW is not competitive against rivals in that segment niche.

I do not doubt one bit that BMW M GmbH will come out with a cracking piece of kit with the X3 M and X4 M.

In the car business there is no finish line, so you either grow and take market share while gaining new customers (aspirational) or lose market share to competitors that is unlikely to be regained and if so at it is at significant cost which is in the billions of dollars.

There are many more people that aspire to own an M car but for a myriad of different reasons can't or won't acquire an M car, that's where M Performance comes in.

To offer a look of an M car without the engine, suspension and associated cost of an actual M car.

M Performance is the aspirational bridge to get that consumer into something slightly elevated above a regular BMW.

So little M badges sprinkled on a car or SAV do not dilute the brand, in fact it helps it grow. It strengthens the buyers passion to get that first beloved M car.

The desirability of M cars is stoked by the fires of passion and is built on customer aspirations across the globe by the purchase of one BMW M hat, key chain, t-shirt, pen, watch, driving event, short film, wall poster, dealer visit, test drive and finally that emotional purchase of that first M car that has taken years to accomplish one at a time.

M is not being diluted, it's just available to a more broad customer base with different levels of aspirations.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by swagon

Let's hope they'll give ya a six cylinder finally.

I don't think that's happening for the US 30d. I'll bet we get the 25d engine at best. Or they just continue with the 20d engine and have the badge be even more grossly out of sync with ROW.

Speaking of ROW, now that the B48 4 cylinder has taken over the 30i badge, it would not be surprising to see a new super-high output 4 cylinder become the new 30d engine soon too. A B47 with the same volumetric efficiency as an N57S should be possible, which would put it at ~250hp. I'll bet this happens by end of decade.

Originally Posted by SickFinga

Unfortunately it is not happening.

Edit: just saw this. Oh well.

[DCC]

I read through the update on page 1 and didn't see where any mention of the new 4cyl making its way into the 320/328 F30s
There are only 2 model years left in the F30 ('17 & '18)...

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by DCC

I read through the update on page 1 and didn't see where any mention of the new 4cyl making its way into the 320/328 F30s
There are only 2 model years left in the F30 ('17 & '18)...

For MY2017, which starts production in July, The 328i is going away completely and the 330i with the new B46 is taking its place.

The 320i in the US keeps the N46 but it gets the new engine elsewhere.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by DCC

Thanks for the 328 to 330 info
But I am not familiar with a N47 for the 320i in 2017...what is a N47?

I meant N46, sorry. I've corrected it.

[DCC]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

For MY2017, which starts production in July, The 328i is going away completely and the 330i with the new B46 is taking its place.

The 320i in the US keeps the N47 but it gets the new engine elsewhere.

Thanks for the 328 to 330 info
But I am not familiar with a N47 for the 320i in 2017...what is a N47?

[Vanmarsenille]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

WORKS FOR ME!

If Porsche can have twenty one different 911 models and be fine, BMW can have 100 model variations and still kick ass.

Keep em coming BMW AG AND NA!! I want an M2 CSL

Your comparison with Porsche is totally false and you know it. BMW is trying to fill every market segment; is that what Porsche is trying to do with the 911?

[yousefnjr]

Good stuff, good stuff... Where's the Z at

[ron_jeremy]

Originally Posted by Vanmarsenille

Your comparison with Porsche is totally false and you know it. BMW is trying to fill every market segment; is that what Porsche is trying to do with the 911?

Chill!
Porsche sells so many SUV these days, theyr no longer reckon as beeing a sportcar manufactor, but in fact a SUV producer.
The sportcar's are getting like a niche over there.
In fact, Porsche soul are long time forgotten, Diesel and VAG part hardly isn't very "pure" next to BMW.

[X3paul]

Originally Posted by Shredicus

Clubsport maybe?

http://www.autonews.com/article/2016...during-january

The people that buy CLA and A3 derivatives

Thats down to design and not fwd/rwd. Remember when the current one came out and it took quite a beating around here in terms of design and scott saying the design was great and the lci would be minimal?? It looked like an entire new car. Want to sell more? Make better interiors (main reason I didnt trade my x3 for an x4 and went Macan) premium engines (not tractor sounding diesels and lame M engines that need a £££ sport exhausts with cabin fake engine noise to sound halfway decent (still no merc amgs) and design cars that dont look old the moment they hit showrooms (x4, 5gt, etc). Keep rwd

[swagon]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

I don't think that's happening for the US 30d. I'll bet we get the 25d engine at best. Or they just continue with the 20d engine and have the badge be even more grossly out of sync with ROW.

Speaking of ROW, now that the B48 4 cylinder has taken over the 30i badge, it would not be surprising to see a new super-high output 4 cylinder become the new 30d engine soon too. A B47 with the same volumetric efficiency as an N57S should be possible, which would put it at ~250hp. I'll bet this happens by end of decade.

Please, no. They have already taken the 6-pot 25d.

[W///]

Originally Posted by Vanmarsenille

Your comparison with Porsche is totally false and you know it. BMW is trying to fill every market segment; is that what Porsche is trying to do with the 911?

That's why Porsche sells diesel SUVs (which by the way are their most profitable cars) and have a hilarious numbers of variants available for the 911 right?

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by pokerface

So why would the X3M be G01 based but carry F97 designation? Isn't that moving somewhat backwards?

BMW is using the F9x chassis code for G generation M vehicles for some reason. I suppose it is because that's what succeeds the current F8x range in numerical order. However, with the addition of the two new smaller M SUVs, there won't be enough numbers in the F9x range.

The next M5 sedan, for example, is F90. Presumably the M6 models will follow closely in succession. Maybe it'll go something like this:

F90 M5 sedan
F9x M5 touring?
F9x M5 Gran Turismo?

F9x M6 coupe
F9x M6 convertible
F9x M6 Gran Coupe

F97 X3 M
F98 X4 M

Gxx M3 sedan
Gxx M4 coupe
Gxx M4 convertible
Gxx M4 Gran Coupe?

Gxx X5 M
Gxx X6 M

M2 is a wild card since if it moves to UKL it may not use a Gxx code but instead retain an F5x code as other UKL passenger cars have.