[SickFinga]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

The M5 Touring did not fail it was only available in certain markets.

I know a lot of people are going to roll their eyes and think SCOTT26 is following the "party line", but he is right here, E61 M5 wasn't a failure. It was never intended to be a mass produced vehicle. E61 M5 was introduced at the same time as W211 E63 wagon. Mercedes sold only 725 of them worldwide.
BMW sold 1,025 E61 M5s, however it was in production for exactly one extra year. If you count E55 and E63 wagon together, Mercedes built 2,169 of them between 2003 and 2009. Keep in mind though, Mercedes offered those wagons in the US, Canada and Australia while BMW did not.

I gotta give props to Mercedes for having balls for selling such a low volume vehicle in markets like US and Canada. I mean in Canada they sold just 8 E55 wagons.

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

I still have mine in Interlagos Blue. I know of one F11 M5 Touring built for somebody internally.

Is it a true M5 with the proper MX91 type code in the VIN, or is it something like the E39 M5 Touring which is simply a 540iT with M5 bits swapped over?

[theriz]

Still no M Wagon...?

[VTECaddict]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

F9x M5 touring?
F9x M5 Gran Turismo?

M5 touring would be amazing.

M5 GT...don't know about that one. The F07 5GT is such an awkward car inside and out.

I don't really get the purpose of the GT models honestly. It's like you can't decide whether you want a sedan, SUV, or wagon, so you get something that's a little bit of all of those mashed together.

[firedown31]

Originally Posted by Colinv6

As a UK F80 owner I'm super excited about the X3M

Needs merino leather and special (X5M) seats, Dakota leather like the M2 will NOT cut it in this car.

100% this, I want a smaller X5M. If they cheap out on the "M" parts like with the M2 it will be disappointing.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by X3paul

Yeah! Another fwd audi...sorry bmw. Great. Bring it on. Maybe a M performance too??? Hope they make the steering extra numb this time. Cause the rest of the models are only tediously numb. Bollocks

I think it said somewhere that the X2 would be AWD only - the FWD is just the way it is now...not saying that I like it, but my girlfriend is looking at the X1 and 228 and she doesn't give a shit about RWD or FWD.

She just wants AWD. And we live in Dallas, where it rains like twice a year. the point being that BMW knows their stuff...the enthusiast doesn't make up enough of the market size to drive those decisions...so this is just part of the deal. I'm not excited about it either, but it is here to stay...

[Manbnda]

I don't know why BMW is developing more versions of the X4, is it really selling well?
Not were I live. Macans are selling much better.
The problem I have with the X4 is the interiors, they look one generation older to me.

Although unlikely, I always thought BMW was going to deeply update the interiors of the X4 on the second or third year of the generation.

[bcb1]

I apologize if this has been discussed but I searched and did not see the answer....

Will the new G01 X3 start production in April 2017, since the end of production on the current model is March 2017?

And...does anyone know when dealers can start putting in customer orders?

Thanks -

[X3paul]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

I think it said somewhere that the X2 would be AWD only - the FWD is just the way it is now...not saying that I like it, but my girlfriend is looking at the X1 and 228 and she doesn't give a shit about RWD or FWD.

She just wants AWD. And we live in Dallas, where it rains like twice a year. the point being that BMW knows their stuff...the enthusiast doesn't make up enough of the market size to drive those decisions...so this is just part of the deal. I'm not excited about it either, but it is here to stay...

Yeah...like the trump

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by firedown31

100% this, I want a smaller X5M. If they cheap out on the "M" parts like with the M2 it will be disappointing.

My guess is that you will see that across the entire M range - there will simply be more options available as you "move up" the chain.

Although the path taken with the 1M/M2 might be specific to the sports car segment only - since BMW likely makes significantly more profit per unit on the SUV M cars, perhaps there could be more options.

And if they're still all produced in Spartanburg??

[GeeRam]

Originally Posted by Colinv6

As a UK F80 owner I'm super excited about the X3M

Needs merino leather and special (X5M) seats, Dakota leather like the M2 will NOT cut it in this car.

Couldn't agree more - this is a must IMHO. Even the seats in the F** M3/4 are pretty poor compared to what was in the E** M3's....and was a reason why I wasn't recently tempted by a stonking deal on a new M3.

I just want to have an idea as to when the X3M is likely to released...or I maybe in a Macan instead.

[TonySCV]

Originally Posted by Manbnda

I don't know why BMW is developing more versions of the X4, is it really selling well?
Not were I live. Macans are selling much better.
The problem I have with the X4 is the interiors, they look one generation older to me.

So you'd be fine with the X4 if it had a significantly updated interior. I would imagine BMW thinks the same thing, hence why the new-gen X3 and X4 interiors will probably be a big leap forward, along the lines of the new X5/6 interiors vs. the last gen.

It wouldn't surprise me at all to see an X3/4M with the S55 engine from the M3/4, full leather option interiors, and unique seats. If the X3/4M seats and interior look ANYTHING like the X5/6M seats and interior, take my money now.

[Colinv6]

Originally Posted by GeeRam

Couldn't agree more - this is a must IMHO. Even the seats in the F** M3/4 are pretty poor compared to what was in the E** M3's....and was a reason why I wasn't recently tempted by a stonking deal on a new M3.

I just want to have an idea as to when the X3M is likely to released...or I maybe in a Macan instead.

I really like the F8x seats and would personally put them far above the e9x seats lol. Shows how we all have varying opinions.

[GeeRam]

Originally Posted by Colinv6

I really like the F8x seats and would personally put them far above the e9x seats lol. Shows how we all have varying opinions.

Probably my age and knackered body......

I find that they are just too hard, with very thin cushions and with no adjustable under thigh support etc., I just didn't find them very comfortable. Main reason I didn't buy one recently.

The multi-function seats in the M5 however.........

Shame one of those is way above my budget - even with a nice discount....then there's the running costs!

Also recently sat in a new Volvo XC90 R-design - oh my, the seats in that are just fabulous, and reminded me of how good the Swedes are at seat design. The seat comfort is the main thing I miss about all the past Saab's I have owned.

[AKRAPOVICOWNS]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

We will shortly see the first Power eDrive M Concept Car.

Sorry to be digging this post, but wasn't the 3.0 csl hommage just that?

[SCOTT26]

Originally Posted by AKRAPOVICOWNS

Sorry to be digging this post, but wasn't the 3.0 csl hommage just that?

It was not a BMW M.

[5against8]

Just talked to my CA about ordering an F36 and he said that for the US we will not see the 40i in until MY2018. Can anyone confirm/dispute this?

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by 5against8

Just talked to my CA about ordering an F36 and he said that for the US we will not see the 40i in until MY2018. Can anyone confirm/dispute this?

There are conflicting reports on this. Your CA is working off a document that does indeed list 428i and 435i for MY2017. That document appears official, and usually we would take it as the true word of BMW NA. However, the same document makes no mention of F34 LCI, which is definitely coming in July as 330ix and 340ix, nor of M760i and 740e, which we know are also coming soon.

[ynguldyn]

And one more thing: the same document lists F30 328i continuing into the next model year, while there's definitely 330i coming. The evidence of that is pretty strong: the US 330i cars that will be used for PR are already in the build queue.

The improvements of MY2017 F30, besides the B46 engine, will include (I'm reiterating some things, so don't tell me it's not news, I know):
- wifi hotspot
- Apple CarPlay preparation
- wireless charging for smartphones
- LCNL leather interior option (black with blue stitching, M Sport specific).

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

The improvements of MY2017 F30, besides the B46 engine, will include (I'm reiterating some things, so don't tell me it's not news, I know):
- wifi hotspot
- Apple CarPlay preparation
- wireless charging for smartphones
- LCNL leather interior option (black with blue stitching, M Sport specific).

Forgive me if I've missed it, but are the first three on that list also coming to the M3 for MY2017?

What about the 4 and M4 - when do they get these new options/features?

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

Forgive me if I've missed it, but are the first three on that list also coming to the M3 for MY2017?

What about the 4 and M4 - when do they get these new options/features?

Those are the across the board updates. They belong to the class of hardware that doesn't depend on LCI cycles, same way the new climate control module with white digits went into all F2x and F3x mid-2015 or Headunit High 2 was introduced in F23 in March 2015 and then went into F22 and all F3x in July.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

Those are the across the board updates. They belong to the class of hardware that doesn't depend on LCI cycles, same way the new climate control module with white digits went into all F2x and F3x mid-2015 or Headunit High 2 was introduced in F23 in March 2015 and then went into F22 and all F3x in July.

Thanks. That's what I would have guessed; I appreciate the confirmation.

[nicholascanada]

Just wondering if m240i for 2017 is coming this summer for certain? Anyone got anything?