[jpnh]

Originally Posted by russjonesr

no thats called comedy?

I’m sure there is no correlation between firearms availability and gun related deaths?

In case you havent figured it out, Man is a tool user

You can remove all the guns and bad people just move on to the next most convenient/effective tool

Crime isnt about inanimate object

Crime is about bad people who are unwilling/incapable of respecting the rights of other people

Since when did prohibition of anything actually accomplish anything?

Prohibition of alcohol? Fail
Prohibition of drugs? Fail
Prohibition of Swords/Bagpipes on the scots? Fail...hell this is one of the most hilarious examples of fail.....you can ban sharp objects and what did the scots do? They moved on to sticks, stones and tree trunks....hell...their training regiment with other inanimate objects of war resulted in the highland games

Whats gone on in the UK.....not only have they confiscated all guns and everything sharper than a butter knife but they've begun imprisoning people who DEFEND themselves from criminals.......and whats happened to violent crime?

Progressives have a rather flat learning curve

Until progressives learn to leave people alone they should expect an increasingly "vigorous" rejection of their tyranny

[russjonesr]

Originally Posted by jpnh

In case you havent figured it out, Man is a tool user

You can remove all the guns and bad people just move on to the next most convenient/effective tool

Crime isnt about inanimate object

Crime is about bad people who are unwilling/incapable of respecting the rights of other people

Since when did prohibition of anything actually accomplish anything?

Prohibition of alcohol? Fail
Prohibition of drugs? Fail
Prohibition of Swords/Bagpipes on the scots? Fail...hell this is one of the most hilarious examples of fail.....you can ban sharp objects and what did the scots do? They moved on to sticks, stones and tree trunks....hell...their training regiment with other inanimate objects of war resulted in the highland games

Whats gone on in the UK.....not only have they confiscated all guns and everything sharper than a butter knife but they've begun imprisoning people who DEFEND themselves from criminals.......and whats happened to violent crime?

Progressives have a rather flat learning curve

Until progressives learn to leave people alone they should expect an increasingly "vigorous" rejection of their tyranny

So do you think the US simply has a higher proportion of "bad" people when compared to other modern western cultures considering your gun death rate is comparable with a war torn 3rd world country? We have guns in the UK, mainly for farming or sport, it's just that licensing is significantly more stringent, with multiple checks and visits from law enforcement and you cannot simply buy a gun from Wallmart with a driving license Unfortunately, you are 60 times more likely to be killed by a gun in the US than the UK, so I personally believe the laws in place work here and generally keep people safe. 133 deaths in 2014, that's not even a bad day in the US! It would be interesting to look at murder rates in each country, if they are approximately the same per head of population then your argument of moving onto the next effective tool is valid? If not then I guess you just have a higher proportion of bad people

[jpnh]

Originally Posted by russjonesr

So do you think the US simply has a higher proportion of "bad" people when compared to other modern western cultures considering your gun death rate is comparable with a war torn 3rd world country? We have guns in the UK, mainly for farming or sport, it's just that licensing is significantly more stringent, with multiple checks and visits from law enforcement and you cannot simply buy a gun from Wallmart with a driving license Unfortunately, you are 60 times more likely to be killed by a gun in the US than the UK, so I personally believe the laws in place work here and generally keep people safe. 133 deaths in 2014, that's not even a bad day in the US! It would be interesting to look at murder rates in each country, if they are approximately the same per head of population then your argument of moving onto the next effective tool is valid? If not then I guess you just have a higher proportion of bad people

Allow me to answer your question in a round about manner

What sort of crime rate did homogeneous Sweden have prior to their socialist government adopting a policy of "Multiculturalism" in the 1970's and flooding the country with people from other parts of the world that share NONE of their culture/values/morals

What has happened to the crime rate, particularly rape as the percentage of their population from these same foreign cultures increased?

[GeeRam]

Originally Posted by jpnh

Whats gone on in the UK.....not only have they confiscated all guns and everything sharper than a butter knife

Not really true.

Only handguns were banned in 1997 (after Dunblane incident) and before that, centre-fire semi-auto rifles in 1988 (after Hungerford incident)


We can still own shotguns (albeit as long as the barrel length is greater than 600m), rimfire semi-auto rifles, bolt action centre-fire rifles, straight-pull rifles, black powder rifles and pistols & revolvers, and some types of long barrelled rimfire pistols, and some long barrelled and extended butt centre-fire revolvers.

Knives haven't been confiscated at all.

However, you are quite right in saying that using any of the above as a form of personal protection is strictly verboten and you'll be treated as a bigger criminal than the criminal you were defending yourself against

[jpnh]

Originally Posted by GeeRam

Not really true.

Only handguns were banned in 1997 (after Dunblane incident) and before that, centre-fire semi-auto rifles in 1988 (after Hungerford incident)


We can still own shotguns (albeit as long as the barrel length is greater than 600m), rimfire semi-auto rifles, bolt action centre-fire rifles, straight-pull rifles, black powder rifles and pistols & revolvers, and some types of long barrelled rimfire pistols, and some long barrelled and extended butt centre-fire revolvers.

Knives haven't been confiscated at all.

However, you are quite right in saying that using any of the above as a form of personal protection is strictly verboten and you'll be treated as a bigger criminal than the criminal you were defending yourself against

And what sort of rate of LEGAL gun ownership do you have in the UK?

Its quite literally approaching zero sadly

All the while violent crime with blunt objects and knives have going up

Again....its just tool users moving on to the next most effective inanimate object

https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives

[russjonesr]

Originally Posted by jpnh

Allow me to answer your question in a round about manner

What sort of crime rate did homogeneous Sweden have prior to their socialist government adopting a policy of "Multiculturalism" in the 1970's and flooding the country with people from other parts of the world that share NONE of their culture/values/morals

What has happened to the crime rate, particularly rape as the percentage of their population from these same foreign cultures increased?

There I have to agree, but do you think the same can be said of the US, a country that was built on immigration?

[russjonesr]

Originally Posted by jpnh

And what sort of rate of LEGAL gun ownership do you have in the UK?

Its quite literally approaching zero sadly

All the while violent crime with blunt objects and knives have going up

Again....its just tool users moving on to the next most effective inanimate object

https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives

583 people were murdered in the UK in 2014, that compares to 14,000 in the USA...that's 18 times higher per head of population. If you use the UK murder rate and apply it to the US population you should have 2500 murders per annum, be it by gun, knife or other means. That a big difference?

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by russjonesr

583 people were murdered in the UK in 2014, that compares to 14,000 in the USA...that's 18 times higher per head of population. If you use the UK murder rate and apply it to the US population you should have 2500 murders per annum, be it by gun, knife or other means. That a big difference?

Different place and circumstances. The US HAS guns. Even if they are confiscated like Aussie they will. And in Aussie the gun murders are up regardless of the confiscation. Legal gun owners are responsible for a negligible amount. Its the criminals, gang violence that causes the overwhelming majority. Gun ownership restrictions don't impact that. What needs to happen is tougher mandatory penalties for criminals with guns. The liberal left resists that. They want to take the guns away from the law abiding owners instead. Thats the real problem. There were 4000 gun murders in Chicago since obama took office, his home town. One of the worst rates in the country. But also some of the strictest ownership laws. The opposite is also true. Cities and states with strong gun crime laws and reasonable ownership laws have some of the lowest rates.

[Fundguy1]

Restrict legal ownership and innocent people can't protect themselves and die. Cops don't protect. They try to solve the crime after to prevent future criminal acts from the perps. The same liberal system that restricts the ownership also releases the criminals and they repeat. Most gun crime is done by repeat,not first time offenders. Lock them up and gun crime drops. Give legal owners guns and ut drops too as some crimes, an estimated 4 million a year, are tharted by legal private gun use, and criminals think twice about using a gunas they know one might be pointed back at them.

[Fundguy1]

I hope trump sends federal troops into chicago to do what the mayor hasn't been abke to do. They would stop the killings in a matter of weeks. Also puts down a federal mandatory law of 10 yrs if you are caught commiting a crime with a gun. Gun crime would drop nationally overnight.

[jpnh]

Originally Posted by russjonesr

There I have to agree, but do you think the same can be said of the US, a country that was built on immigration?

How is the US any different really?

A homogenous population will ALWAYS have less conflict/crime/etc than a population that is comprised of dissimilar ethnic/social/other groups

If you want to throw some accellerant on the fire then throw two groups together which are fundamentally at odds with one another......Show me an islamic state where Gays were legal/not thrown off roofs, where women were NOT property and combine that group with people who actually value free association, believe that women are equals/not property.......


As a general rule of thumb look at the murder rates of all 50 states then look at the ethnic breakdowns of each of those states......its an indicator because race does not equal ethnic values/socialization but its still pretty darn close in this day and age

[bosstones]

I'll just leave this here:

http://www.zpost.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=56

[Mr Tonka]

Originally Posted by bosstones

I'll just leave this here:

http://www.zpost.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=56

Thank you.

It would be great to keep the debate in any of the several other appropriate threads in the politics section.

[GeeRam]

Originally Posted by jpnh

And what sort of rate of LEGAL gun ownership do you have in the UK?

Its quite literally approaching zero sadly

True, it's about 0.25% of the population for firearms, and about 1% of population for shotguns.

And its true, that the Govt would prefer if it was zero, and they do everything they can to make it as difficult as possible.

Sadly, shooting in the UK is a fractured sport, with lots of infighting between disciplines across the various organising bodies, which plays into the hands of Govt. We are our own worst enemy in many respects.
We sadly don't have one all encompassing organisation to 'defend' our rights like the NRA does in the USA.

[GeeRam]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

Its the criminals, gang violence that causes the overwhelming majority. Gun ownership restrictions don't impact that. What needs to happen is tougher mandatory penalties for criminals with guns. The liberal left resists that. They want to take the guns away from the law abiding owners instead. Thats the real problem. There were 4000 gun murders in Chicago since obama took office, his home town. One of the worst rates in the country. But also some of the strictest ownership laws. The opposite is also true. Cities and states with strong gun crime laws and reasonable ownership laws have some of the lowest rates.

[zx10guy]

Any recommendations on a one point sling and sling mount for an AR15? My AR has a commercial buffer tube if that matters.

Thanks.

[Dang3r]

I would always prefer a part like this.

[Mr Tonka]

Originally Posted by Dang3r

I would always prefer a part like this.

Yes. Lots of those QD mounts on the market. They make them for all types of rails and buffer spring tube as yo posted.

Originally Posted by zx10guy

Any recommendations on a one point sling and sling mount for an AR15? My AR has a commercial buffer tube if that matters.

Thanks.

What are you using the sling for? A single point is just about unless save for 3-gun or tactical use. (not Tati-cool) I thought a single point was where it was at, but a 2 point is much more useful.

[Fundguy1]

I got a generic brand 1 or 2 point harness from a show for $20. I'd go to a show or store and compare to see what you like.

[Axius]

Maybe I'm not picky, but usually just order 2 point slings for everything online and don't care what it looks like, comfort is never an issue either.

[1MOREMOD]

I like my ms3 sling so go from 2 to 1 point mount quickly

[Mr Tonka]

Sling explanation for those not in the know.

http://www.tactical-life.com/gear/pu...e-right-sling/