[x77md]

Originally Posted by gmag

In addition to the X8M there will be an entry level X8 M45e and an electrified (most likely mild hybrid) X8 M50i. All three vehicles will be designed and developed exclusively by BMW M so the entire X8 range will be considered as standalone/bespoke M models.

Also don't forget about the X8M pure, X8M competition, X8M CS and X8M GTS

[///Mvious]

Originally Posted by IK6SPEED

I used the SEC filings, not that you would know how to do proper research.


Oh really? Who's twisting their words AGAIN in this thread.

Secondly, You are the one who is scared to compare the Companies, not me.

• I was not referring to you, so I won’t comment on that further.
• I’m not twisting my words, if I said bmw did not refund deposits, you would have quoted it but you haven’t...
•You can not compare. Every inch of a bmw (or any other top luxury brand) has had more thought put into it than any Tesla. Some have been transporting people for 100+ years. If you think a company can come in and learn in 10-15 years what those companies learned in 100 years, you would be wrong. Once everything is electric Tesla becomes just another brand. So please let’s end this. And let the thread go back to normal

[antzcrashing]

Where have I heard this before....

Not believing until I see it.

Also, just give every bmw car an M treatment, why doesnt the 7 series get it? No reason not to

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by ///Mvious

• I was not referring to you, so I won't comment on that further.
• I'm not twisting my words, if I said bmw did not refund deposits, you would have quoted it but you haven't...
•You can not compare. Every inch of a bmw (or any other top luxury brand) has had more thought put into it than any Tesla. Some have been transporting people for 100+ years. If you think a company can come in and learn in 10-15 years what those companies learned in 100 years, you would be wrong. Once everything is electric Tesla becomes just another brand. So please let's end this. And let the thread go back to normal

You can verify the numbers I posted through company filings. I used the graphics because they're easier to understand. The numbers are real, don't try to Fake News your way out of it.

I do this for a living, I wouldn't post graphical images that didn't represent reality.

[///Mvious]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

You can verify the numbers I posted through company filings. I used the graphics because they're easier to understand. The numbers are real, don't try to Fake News your way out of it.

I do this for a living, I wouldn't post graphical images that didn't represent reality.

Oh are we still talking about One Q3 report?Keep hanging onto that, it’s all you’ll ever have.also nobody mentioned fake news. So if you would like to talk about the flagship M car and what you think it will be, be my guest. If not, stfu

[IK6SPEED]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

You can verify the numbers I posted through company filings. I used the graphics because they're easier to understand. The numbers are real, don't try to Fake News your way out of it.

I do this for a living, I wouldn't post graphical images that didn't represent reality.

He is just another flat earther who will deny realty for as long as people denied the Earth was round.

Meanwhile Tesla has created excitement in an Industry that has reached peak autos with everyone but the boomers - while BMW Car sales continue to hemorrhage.

[IK6SPEED]

Originally Posted by ///Mvious

Oh are we still talking about One Q3 report?Keep hanging onto that, it's all you'll ever have.also nobody mentioned fake news. So if you would like to talk about the flagship M car and what you think it will be, be my guest. If not, stfu

If you could read the chart or numbers, you'd realize it's not just 1 Q3 report.

But that would be asking too much of you.

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by IK6SPEED

If you could read the chart or numbers, you'd realize it's not just 1 Q3 report.

But that would be asking too much of you.

He has three rep points. Seems like double digits might be a ways off.

[///Mvious]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

I'm not saying one of you is comically off base, but I kind of am.

[IMG]https://cleantechnica.com/files/2019...nica-2.png.png[/IMG]

That chart you posted? That is 3/4 only?
Well I just realized you are from Texas. I’m not going to bother arguing with someone from a state that teaches that the south won the civil war. Sure there’s some smart educated people in Texas but you clearly aren’t one.

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by ///Mvious

That chart you posted? That is Q3 only?
Well I just realized you are from Texas. I’m not going to bother arguing with someone from a state that teaches that the south won the civil war. Sure there’s some smart educated people in Texas but you clearly aren’t one.

All I can draw from this is that you're clearly from a state with recreational weed and are taking full advantage of it. Kudos.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by antzcrashing

Where have I heard this before....

Not believing until I see it.

Also, just give every bmw car an M treatment, why doesnt the 7 series get it? No reason not to

Added to my list of dogmas ... no M7.

[GerryM5]

Originally Posted by IK6SPEED

That's the problem with BMW Cult Members.

You cannot admit others are successful in car business and bringing excitement without resorting to big grills.

As a major publication noted, the Tesla CyberTruck design is a major hit hit everyone, except the Boomers.

Troll

[antzcrashing]

Electrification? That doesnt seem like a halo car, hate to say it.

[low135]

If the cybertruck deposit were $1000 there might be 25% of what "pre orders" they got. I can't believe people aren't seeing that for what it is, a PR stunt. The goofballs trying to justify Tesla sales numbers fail to mention their majority sales are model 3's which JUST fall in line with bottom of the barrel 2 series. I'm sure Honda sold some civics and accords you'd be interested in :

[IK6SPEED]

Originally Posted by low135

If the cybertruck deposit were $1000 there might be 25% of what "pre orders" they got. I can't believe people aren't seeing that for what it is, a PR stunt. The goofballs trying to justify Tesla sales numbers fail to mention their majority sales are model 3's which JUST fall in line with bottom of the barrel 2 series. I'm sure Honda sold some civics and accords you'd be interested in :

Funny as all the car firms put it inline with the BMW 3 Series.

But if you want to compare it to BMW 2 Series, no problem, as the 2 Series only sold 5k cars YTD through September giving the Tesla 3 over a 10:1 lead instead of 6.5:1.

And if you want to say BMW 2 Series with an average profit of $5000 per vehicle, that's $25,000,000 in Sales Profit of BMW 2 Series this year. 250,000 deposits of $100 = $25,000,000 as well.

Winner clearly is Tesla.

As for ricers, they have moved to used BMW 1/2/3/4 Series this Decade.

[IK6SPEED]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

He has three rep points. Seems like double digits might be a ways off.

Interesting enough, I asked a 3 year old which graph was higher.....and they got it correct.

[low135]

Originally Posted by IK6SPEED

Funny as all the car firms put it inline with the BMW 3 Series.

But if you want to compare it to BMW 2 Series, no problem, as the 2 Series only sold 5k cars YTD through September giving the Tesla 3 over a 10:1 lead instead of 6.5:1.

And if you want to say BMW 2 Series with an average profit of $5000 per vehicle, that's $25,000,000 in Sales Profit of BMW 2 Series this year. 250,000 deposits of $100 = $25,000,000 as well.

Winner clearly is Tesla.

As for ricers, they have moved to used BMW 1/2/3/4 Series this Decade.

You missed the entire point. Their best selling car is equivalent to the bottom of the barrel 2 series. No one's saying their bottom of the barrel 2 series is going to sell more, it's just obvious the Tesla buyer is buying that low of a range car en masse versus their higher end offerings. Real shocker a cheaper car ends up selling more than the rest of the BMW range lol having been in numerous model 3, there's a reason it's a cheap EV. The thing sucks lol and that's the best selling model. But please keep humping this $100 deposit PR stunt. Shits funny

[IK6SPEED]

Originally Posted by low135

You missed the entire point. Their best selling car is equivalent to the bottom of the barrel 2 series. No one's saying their bottom of the barrel 2 series is going to sell more, it's just obvious the Tesla buyer is buying that low of a range car en masse versus their higher end offerings. Real shocker a cheaper car ends up selling more than the rest of the BMW range lol having been in numerous model 3, there's a reason it's a cheap EV. The thing sucks lol and that's the best selling model. But please keep humping this $100 deposit PR stunt. Shits funny

Again, all car analyst put it in the BMW 3 Series area, but you do you.

Right now BMW wishes it had ANY car that was selling like Tesla, regardless of who's buying.

BMW's car sales just keep dropping. Thank God for SUVs.

[low135]

Defending the model 3 is a really weird hill to die on lmao

[IK6SPEED]

Originally Posted by low135

Defending the model 3 is a really weird hill to die on lmao

Defending BMW is even stranger.

Check their market capitalization lately?

As of close today, Tesla at $59.1B and BMW at $52.9B (with a pretty crappy looking 5 year chart). Obviously, that includes ALL BMW Divisions.

[V-Eight]

it would be, in my opinion, something really, really different if it will be offered as a FULL EV supercar, but in the other side, offering also an old school "pure" version of it; I mean Manual transmission, revised V12 of the M760i...no compromises. The right farewell for the ICE era for BMW, celebrating this change with the right "urra" for the pure internal combustion technology. And the upcoming tech of it, with full EV. In My opinion, the ICE version would be sold out withtin days.....

[antzcrashing]

Originally Posted by IK6SPEED

Funny as all the car firms put it inline with the BMW 3 Series.

But if you want to compare it to BMW 2 Series, no problem, as the 2 Series only sold 5k cars YTD through September giving the Tesla 3 over a 10:1 lead instead of 6.5:1.

And if you want to say BMW 2 Series with an average profit of $5000 per vehicle, that's $25,000,000 in Sales Profit of BMW 2 Series this year. 250,000 deposits of $100 = $25,000,000 as well.

Winner clearly is Tesla.

As for ricers, they have moved to used BMW 1/2/3/4 Series this Decade.

Sure he 3 is a better comparo, but you really cant compare model 3 to an ICE engine model from one manufacturer because the model 3 is really the only electric car in the segment that is also fun to drive and sexy, tesla has really capitalized on that market. But it is part due to pent up demand and being the only good offering. tesla and especially the model 3 are not profitable so I dont think the other automakers are that excited to get into the race. Even the bmw i4 will probably at first be higher end like the model S (or at least with options) to recoup the large up-front R&D. Honestly I think Tesla has more to be afraid of as other established players come to compete with the model S and roadster as thats where the money is. Moreso than the established players are afraid that model 3 sales steal 3 series sales.