[Donatello.]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

Sick spec! That’s the color combo I’m going for.

Best bang for buck supercar.

It's not a super car

[Donatello.]

The more they screw us, the more I want to flip the car. Give GM the finger. When shopping for the other half's new daily in the future, I think I will steer clear of GM anything

[Higgs Boson]

Originally Posted by Donatello.

It's not a super car

I mean it's a car and it's super so.....

heck to someone outside of the USA it can even be considered exotic....got that foreign accent that we call country twang but to everyone else....ooo baby sexy.

[Donatello.]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

I highly doubt they can ever enforce that.

What happens if someone loses their job? Or someone passes away and needs extra money? They're moving out of state and have no need for a car? They don't want the car anymore for various reasons?

Either way all this is making me even more excited about getting mine. I don't want to flip it. I want to bask in the beauty of the car and engineering.

And they don't specify stingray models. Which means i can always flip mine since my stingray will come before the z06 lol

I'll probably use the stingray for a year, and sell it and pocket 15-25k. Maybe even more.

Gotta love corvettes.

No more getting Z $ for a base C8, sorry.

Also, this stuff should make you want the car less, not more. You're asking GM to F you harder without lube. smh

[G MONEY]

Originally Posted by Donatello.

The more they screw us, the more I want to flip the car. Give GM the finger. When shopping for the other half's new daily in the future, I think I will steer clear of GM anything

This is the only car I would ever purchase from Chevy. Period. I agree with you. F them:-)

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by Donatello.

No more getting Z $ for a base C8, sorry.

Also, this stuff should make you want the car less, not more. You're asking GM to F you harder without lube. smh

My stingray build is around 80k. If i can use the car and sell it back to my dealer after a year for 80k, that's a win.

Plus, the letter applies to z06's and escalade V's no?

I don't recall it specifying you can't flip stingrays.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by Higgs Boson

I mean it's a car and it's super so.....

heck to someone outside of the USA it can even be considered exotic....got that foreign accent that we call country twang but to everyone else....ooo baby sexy.

It is definitely a supercar. Everything we know about the car so far reflects that.

The only thing it doesn't have is a supercar price. Although GM tried! LOL

[TXSTYLE]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

It is definitely a supercar. Everything we know about the car so far reflects that.

The only thing it doesn't have is a supercar price. Although GM tried! LOL

This.

[Donatello.]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

My stingray build is around 80k. If i can use the car and sell it back to my dealer after a year for 80k, that's a win.

Plus, the letter applies to z06's and escalade V's no?

I don't recall it specifying you can't flip stingrays.

You missed my point. Why would someone pay Z $ for a base car? Gotta be a moron lol.

[Donatello.]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

It is definitely a supercar. Everything we know about the car so far reflects that.

The only thing it doesn't have is a supercar price. Although GM tried! LOL

No, it's a Chevy. A mass produced Chevy. Super car killer? Maybe.

Also, we only know 0-60 time. GM has given us nothing.

Are you living under a rock or just in love with the car so you have blinders on?

[RM7]

Originally Posted by Donatello.

No, it's a Chevy. A mass produced Chevy. Super car killer? Maybe.

Also, we only know 0-60 time. GM has given us nothing.

Are you living under a rock or just in love with the car so you have blinders on?

A big problem I have with industry reviews and other people talking about cars is that it ends up being hugely biased and it's not really based on reality...but more like 20-30 years ago and how every US car was shit comparatively. The things that were produced were inexcusable, the quality, the chassis, the engineering, compression ratios so low that even despite low HP, still terrible mileage.

I think the information age and the ease at which information is now passed and transmitted has simply blown this apart. But too many people are just remembering the "old days". I can go into an S5 or 340 and find all kinds of plastic, yet some of these owners speak about their cars as if they are equipped like the S-class or a Maybach. US manufacturers couldn't match the competition. In many cases, they just didn't want to, it didn't make any sense to. Now, they have to. Now you can easily find out what other cars do or why another car is better. They have known this for a while.

But I go and read a review and someone is complaining about the lack of "quality materials" when every car in the segment is 99.9% the same. There isn't a giant gap like there used to be.

But GM has been killing it for a few years now, zeta chassis into alpha, still making dedicated sports cars, not borrowing chassis for every performance model, really going all-out. Every time I think about getting something other than my 2SS 1LE, I keep coming back to the fact that they put enough rubber on this car for the power, the chassis is exceptional, the interior is decent, the driving experience is excellent. Not that there aren't others that are better, but now we are in the better in certain areas-area where we are going to make sacrifices, because the cars we are discussing are so damn good. The novice that showed up in a C8 was killing it at AutoX in a couple runs, amazing times, despite everything else with that car...because that's how they designed the car. If they weren't pushing forward like this, we'd see a lot less in terms of fun to drive cars. If anything, GM is one of the pillars that has given us the Camaro 5 ZL1/1LE/Z28, Camaro 6 1LE/ZL1s, CTS-V (wagon even), ATS-V, Blackwings, C7s, C8s. The "seriousness" of the performance levels on these vehicles has been there for years now.

So yeah, they are mass produced, but they are actually leveraging engineering these days to keep pushing the limits further forward. Nothing pains me more to see a car with high HP that doesn't have the rubber, suspension and chassis to put it down.

[Mike00]

Originally Posted by RM7

A big problem I have with industry reviews and other people talking about cars is that it ends up being hugely biased and it's not really based on reality...but more like 20-30 years ago and how every US car was shit comparatively. The things that were produced were inexcusable, the quality, the chassis, the engineering, compression ratios so low that even despite low HP, still terrible mileage.

I think the information age and the ease at which information is now passed and transmitted has simply blown this apart. But too many people are just remembering the "old days". I can go into an S5 or 340 and find all kinds of plastic, yet some of these owners speak about their cars as if they are equipped like the S-class or a Maybach. US manufacturers couldn't match the competition. In many cases, they just didn't want to, it didn't make any sense to. Now, they have to. Now you can easily find out what other cars do or why another car is better. They have known this for a while.

But I go and read a review and someone is complaining about the lack of "quality materials" when every car in the segment is 99.9% the same. There isn't a giant gap like there used to be.

But GM has been killing it for a few years now, zeta chassis into alpha, still making dedicated sports cars, not borrowing chassis for every performance model, really going all-out. Every time I think about getting something other than my 2SS 1LE, I keep coming back to the fact that they put enough rubber on this car for the power, the chassis is exceptional, the interior is decent, the driving experience is excellent. Not that there aren't others that are better, but now we are in the better in certain areas-area where we are going to make sacrifices, because the cars we are discussing are so damn good. The novice that showed up in a C8 was killing it at AutoX in a couple runs, amazing times, despite everything else with that car...because that's how they designed the car. If they weren't pushing forward like this, we'd see a lot less in terms of fun to drive cars. If anything, GM is one of the pillars that has given us the Camaro 5 ZL1/1LE/Z28, Camaro 6 1LE/ZL1s, CTS-V (wagon even), ATS-V, Blackwings, C7s, C8s. The "seriousness" of the performance levels on these vehicles has been there for years now.

So yeah, they are mass produced, but they are actually leveraging engineering these days to keep pushing the limits further forward. Nothing pains me more to see a car with high HP that doesn't have the rubber, suspension and chassis to put it down.

This x100. About the only thing they don’t do is have that solid door thunk feel you get with the German cars. but frankly it’s hard not like a lot of their cars - the Alpha was incredible (if the ZL1 didn’t have the bog in the m6 I’d own a verte) and the new black wings look incredible.

It’s a shame the camaro is going to die in a few years. Would have loved to see what a 3rd gen would do.

[Donatello.]

Originally Posted by RM7

A big problem I have with industry reviews and other people talking about cars is that it ends up being hugely biased and it's not really based on reality...but more like 20-30 years ago and how every US car was shit comparatively. The things that were produced were inexcusable, the quality, the chassis, the engineering, compression ratios so low that even despite low HP, still terrible mileage.

I think the information age and the ease at which information is now passed and transmitted has simply blown this apart. But too many people are just remembering the "old days". I can go into an S5 or 340 and find all kinds of plastic, yet some of these owners speak about their cars as if they are equipped like the S-class or a Maybach. US manufacturers couldn't match the competition. In many cases, they just didn't want to, it didn't make any sense to. Now, they have to. Now you can easily find out what other cars do or why another car is better. They have known this for a while.

But I go and read a review and someone is complaining about the lack of "quality materials" when every car in the segment is 99.9% the same. There isn't a giant gap like there used to be.

But GM has been killing it for a few years now, zeta chassis into alpha, still making dedicated sports cars, not borrowing chassis for every performance model, really going all-out. Every time I think about getting something other than my 2SS 1LE, I keep coming back to the fact that they put enough rubber on this car for the power, the chassis is exceptional, the interior is decent, the driving experience is excellent. Not that there aren't others that are better, but now we are in the better in certain areas-area where we are going to make sacrifices, because the cars we are discussing are so damn good. The novice that showed up in a C8 was killing it at AutoX in a couple runs, amazing times, despite everything else with that car...because that's how they designed the car. If they weren't pushing forward like this, we'd see a lot less in terms of fun to drive cars. If anything, GM is one of the pillars that has given us the Camaro 5 ZL1/1LE/Z28, Camaro 6 1LE/ZL1s, CTS-V (wagon even), ATS-V, Blackwings, C7s, C8s. The "seriousness" of the performance levels on these vehicles has been there for years now.

So yeah, they are mass produced, but they are actually leveraging engineering these days to keep pushing the limits further forward. Nothing pains me more to see a car with high HP that doesn't have the rubber, suspension and chassis to put it down.

I said nothing about reviews. I am talking performance figures that are fact. We don't have a 1/4 times, a ring time, etc. Facts are facts, not biased review people.

I never pay attention to review folks when car shopping. I look up the actual numbers and then go drive the car myself. If I don't like it, I move on.

GM hasn't given us anything. Same bs company that stole tax dollars for a bailout.

[Humdizzle]

Originally Posted by Donatello.

No, it's a Chevy. A mass produced Chevy. Super car killer? Maybe.

Also, we only know 0-60 time. GM has given us nothing.

Are you living under a rock or just in love with the car so you have blinders on?

agree. we know nothing about the Z06 other than claimed HP... and what the likely weight will be based on the stingray. GM can claim whatever they want in pressers but until a company like C&D or motortrend tests it themselves we have no clue.

tesla and dodge have left a sour taste after their performance claims turned out to be false in real world testing... needing a prepped strip, perfect temps and DA, and luck to achieve those numbers.

meanwhile porsche makes a 1/4 claim. everyone beats it on a 40 degree day on a random road.

[Donatello.]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

agree. we know nothing about the Z06 other than claimed HP... and what the likely weight will be based on the stingray. GM can claim whatever they want in pressers but until a company like C&D or motortrend tests it themselves we have no clue.

tesla and dodge have left a sour taste after their performance claims turned out to be false in real world testing... needing a prepped strip, perfect temps and DA, and luck to achieve those numbers.

meanwhile porsche makes a 1/4 claim. everyone beats it on a 40 degree day on a random road.

To be fair, GM does normally underrate Vette numbers & people get better times once they start hitting the streets

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by Donatello.

You missed my point. Why would someone pay Z $ for a base car? Gotta be a moron lol.

People are already paying z money for a stingray.

The reason is to bypass waiting 12-14 months for a car at msrp. Similar to what people are doing now with the m cars. Except m cars can’t pull giant markups as corvettes.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by Donatello.

No, it's a Chevy. A mass produced Chevy. Super car killer? Maybe.

Also, we only know 0-60 time. GM has given us nothing.

Are you living under a rock or just in love with the car so you have blinders on?

I said what we know so far.

10.6 for a car that’s not a drag car. 0-60 in 2.6 for a car that’s not a drag car. Rumored to run the ring around 7 minutes. Which is the point to the car.

The bespoke engine. The exotic sound. The exotic looks.

Yeah it’s a supercar.

[Donatello.]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

I said what we know so far.

10.6 for a car that’s not a drag car. 0-60 in 2.6 for a car that’s not a drag car. Rumored to run the ring around 7 minutes. Which is the point to the car.

The bespoke engine. The exotic sound. The exotic looks.

Yeah it’s a supercar.

Sounds & looks (subjective BTW) are performance numbers now? Oh, ok.

Strongly agree to disagree on this being a super car.

My C6Z beat the crap out of cars that cost a lot more. It was still no super car...

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by Donatello.

Sounds & looks (subjective BTW) are performance numbers now? Oh, ok.

Strongly agree to disagree on this being a super car.

My C6Z beat the crap out of cars that cost a lot more. It was still no super car...

It didn't have a bespoke engine, as the LS7 made it's way in the Z28 camaro and yes i know we don't know where GM might put the LT6 but with how quickly things are changing with hybrid and EV, there's a bigger chance the ZR1 could get something totally different like a 4.4L TT engine. We don't know yet.

The C6ZR would have a case of possibly being a supercar back then but when comparing to it's actual supercar rivals of it's time, it didn't have the proper "equipment".

The C7Z isn't a supercar even if it put supercar numbers. The C7ZR went even farther with that performance but the manual, in year 2019 was a handicap and the 8 speed auto from GM is fucking garbage. So no good on that.

The C8Z has the bespoke engine, the exotic sound, the engine in the back, the widebody look, the DCT, and the performance numbers WE KNOW OF SO FAR, have all the credentials to finally label itself as a real supercar. The first from GM.

If the performance suffers when people get their hands on it, then it's nothing but a high performance ME variant with an awesome engine.

It's everything in one that makes it a supercar. Not just one or the other.

I will admit we have to agree to disagree. Lots of corvette owners don't think the C8Z is a supercar. Some embrace it. Some don't.

But i believe it is and i would also bet that more people would believe it is as well vs those that don't.

Plus i forgot to mention the production numbers. We don't even know the total production amount nor how long this z06 will last. Is it 5 model years? Will it stretch to the very end of the C8 generation? We don't know. For all we know GM will build 5k z06's every model year.

So not entirely mass produced until time goes by and we know for sure. This will be more sought after than exotics costing double and triple this MSRP.

[Mike00]

Originally Posted by Donatello.

Sounds & looks (subjective BTW) are performance numbers now? Oh, ok.

Strongly agree to disagree on this being a super car.

My C6Z beat the crap out of cars that cost a lot more. It was still no super car...

Given the incredible numbers the regular C8 puts down there is no doub it will be supercar performance territory.

If the argument is it’s no 911 GT3, Lambo, Ferrari in terms of overall experience. I probably won’t disagree.

But it is definitely going to be something special and this argument reminds me of one I just had on the hellcat forums where somebody thought the c4/c5 z06 is more raw than the C6 Z06 and that the C7 z06 wasn’t raw at all. HE was talking about the old 1970/80’s “race car” feel even if they had shitty numbers.

The c8 z06 is going ot be an incredible drivers car that destroys super cars. simple as that.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by Mike00

Given the incredible numbers the regular C8 puts down there is no doub it will be supercar performance territory.

If the argument is it’s no 911 GT3, Lambo, Ferrari in terms of overall experience. I probably won’t disagree.

But it is definitely going to be something special and this argument reminds me of one I just had on the hellcat forums where somebody thought the c4/c5 z06 is more raw than the C6 Z06 and that the C7 z06 wasn’t raw at all. HE was talking about the old 1970/80’s “race car” feel even if they had shitty numbers.

The c8 z06 is going ot be an incredible drivers car that destroys super cars. simple as that.

I have a C7Z currently and i can admit it's not a supercar. It puts up supercar numbers for sure. I have destroyed lots of fast cars (no not like TX2K type of cars) with simple bolt ons. It is an insane street car off a roll. But it's not a supercar.

I actually debated a couple of years ago to get of the C7Z for a C6ZR because it's more raw but then i'd still be stuck with another manual and i do believe C7Z/ZR's look better than C6Z/ZR's. It just has better presence if you do equal cosmetic mods to both. So i just kept the C7Z.

The C8Z is going to be special but we just have to see what it can do when people get their hands on it.

But for GM to give us their version of a ferrari so to speak that MSRP's at 106k, regardless if people are marking it up, or you have to wait 3 years to get one, yada yada, is the best bang for buck ever in existence when you look at everything as a whole. And not just one stat.

If anything, enthusiasts that enjoy this type of car should be kissing GM's ass for making a car like this in this time. It could have been a lot worse.

[Donatello.]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

I have a C7Z currently and i can admit it's not a supercar. It puts up supercar numbers for sure. I have destroyed lots of fast cars (no not like TX2K type of cars) with simple bolt ons. It is an insane street car off a roll. But it's not a supercar.

I actually debated a couple of years ago to get of the C7Z for a C6ZR because it's more raw but then i'd still be stuck with another manual and i do believe C7Z/ZR's look better than C6Z/ZR's. It just has better presence if you do equal cosmetic mods to both. So i just kept the C7Z.

The C8Z is going to be special but we just have to see what it can do when people get their hands on it.

But for GM to give us their version of a ferrari so to speak that MSRP's at 106k, regardless if people are marking it up, or you have to wait 3 years to get one, yada yada, is the best bang for buck ever in existence when you look at everything as a whole. And not just one stat.

If anything, enthusiasts that enjoy this type of car should be kissing GM's ass for making a car like this in this time. It could have been a lot worse.

Kissing their ass for jacking the starting price way up? Ha.
Kiss their ass for taking our tax dollars & not paying it back? Ha

Take off your blinders