[M5 Monster]

Originally Posted by m3m3mr

I read somewhere that you don't want a german car with a production date around Octoberfest.

True.

[M5 Monster]

Originally Posted by dwalls90

No offense but a lot of you are being a bit ignorant.

South Africa has had much higher quality in production than Germany for a few years now.

I'm not saying this plant is guaranteed to be better than Germany or South Africa, but it's a fact that the German produced BMW's aren't of the highest quality compared to other plants.

South Africa has had much higher quality in production than Germany for a few years now. Not true for cars coming to the US.

[raysspl]

As long as build quality exceeds customer expectations, then totally cool with me.

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by jayyp

I will never be buying a 3 series if it's not made in Germany... Heck, any BMW. I hope the M's will still be made there at least.

M's have been, currently are, and will continue to be assembled outside of Germany.

[///M4ster Yoda]

Originally Posted by miamiten

M's have been, currently are, and will continue to be assembled outside of Germany.

The M4 is currently manufactured at the plant in Munich.

[tturedraider]

Originally Posted by miamiten

M's have been, currently are, and will continue to be assembled outside of Germany.

Originally Posted by Master Yoda

The M4 is currently manufactured at the plant in Munich.

The X5///M and X6///M are assembled in South Carolina. All of the others are manufactured in Germany.

[///M4ster Yoda]

Originally Posted by tturedraider

The X5///M and X6///M are assembled in South Carolina. All of the others are manufactured in Germany.

I'm not an SUV guy or "American BMW" guy for that matter

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by tturedraider

The X5///M and X6///M are assembled in South Carolina. All of the others are manufactured in Germany.

At the moment yes those are the two. There have been other M Cars assembled there and elsewhere.

[SCOTT26]

Spartanburg not only builds the X5M and X6M for two generations.
But also the two models of BMW Z3M and Z4M each.
In the future add on the BMW X3M and BMW X4M and most likely the X7M60i/Li.

[F82FTW]

This is a shame...I would NEVER purchase a BMW product built in Mexico. Period.

I doubt that I'm the minority in that sentiment.

[Sassicaia]

Originally Posted by miamiten

M's have been, currently are, and will continue to be assembled outside of Germany.

You wrong.

X versions made in the US becaus SUV are basically for Americans. M cars are made in Germany.

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by Sassicaia

You wrong.

X versions made in the US becaus SUV are basically for Americans. M cars are made in Germany.

How am I wrong? M Cars have been assembled in Italy, South Africa, and the US in addition to Germany. Both generations of the M Coupe and M Roadster were assembled in the US. Even for those who aren't familiar with BMW Motorsport or M GmbH history and think the M1 was the "first", it was engineered by Lamborghini who built the first prototypes and then went belly up. The remainder were manufactured by a collaboration from Marchese, TIR, and ItalDesign in Italy.

[Alpine300zhp]

Originally Posted by F82FTW

This is a shame...I would NEVER purchase a BMW product built in Mexico. Period.

I doubt that I'm the minority in that sentiment.

Agreed. If I ever buy another 3 series, and I doubt that I will, I will just make sure to get a German built allocation. Easy enough.

[WoohooSoCal]

lol that this topic is 6 pages...

[BMW M Power Mexico]

Originally Posted by The J-Man

I am not worried about quality from Mexican plants, but I still would not buy a Mexican made BMW. Mexico is best known for burritos, Tecate, Tijuana donkey shows, piñatas, and cartel beheadings.

It would just feel wrong buying a finely engineered German vehicle that was produced in such a place.

Also, Mexico is not a middle income country. Mexico ranks somewhere around 67th in the world for per capita GDP, slightly ahead of countries such as Botswana and Turkmenistan.

I am not worried about different opinions. But I still wouldn't want to take seriously anything you say. You are clearly best known for bigoted, moronic, and uninformed comments on anything regarding economics or car manufacturing.

It would just feel wrong taking anything you say about this as more than moronic drivel.

Also, you do not understand what middle income means. It's an understanding only slightly ahead of Bubba and Gump. Do they live down the street? Please say hi.

[BMW M Power Mexico]

Originally Posted by Bigiggs

Very simply, I would go to Porsche.

Scott will defend his corp's strategy (that is why he is employed by BMW) but at the end of the day I will vote with my wallet. I would never buy a premium car made in Mexico, Brazil, India, or China no matter how many QC measures are put in place. Its about heritage and history. Like someone else mentioned, would you buy German Tequila? Neither would I.

Used? Not a lot of Porsche in a trade for a 135. Just sayin'.

[Bigiggs]

Originally Posted by BMW M Power Mexico

Used? Not a lot of Porsche in a trade for a 135. Just sayin'.

It would obviously be an upgrade. I am in between an M3, P-Car, or C63.

Sidenote, I would be keeping the 135is (love that car) and I will still keep to my original statement of not buying any premium car not produced from its original home nation.

[SCOTT26]

Don't forget that The facility in Brazil assemble the 3er and shortly the BMW X1, MINI Countryman and the next X3 as well as some FWD compact models.

Why so much focus on the X3? With assembly also to take place in South Africa,Brazil,China as well as the USA?

It is the hottest segment as they say with further growth expected. The renewal of the X3 falls within that projection.You only have to look at how the X3 is doing globally and in the US in particular.
And the next generation will be even better as it expands to incorporate PHEV options as well as a full BMW M model.
The Chinese market will also get the X3Li.
And of course there will be a new X4 sister model.

[///M4ster Yoda]

There are WAY to many fake M cars being produced nowadays IMHO. MX3 or M750i blah blah blah. It's silly and ridiculous.

[SCOTT26]

M Performance vehicles substitute models that would be considered not only taboo in some circles but also provide substitute vehicle choice without tax penalties. Which is why 550d and X5 and X6 M50d thrive in these countries.

The M760Li is a substitute for an M7. But it is still a very powerful car.

The new X3M and X4M will be full BMW M Vehicles as are the X5M and X6M.

[BMW M Power Mexico]

Originally Posted by Bigiggs

It would obviously be an upgrade. I am in between an M3, P-Car, or C63.

Sidenote, I would be keeping the 135is (love that car) and I will still keep to my original statement of not buying any premium car not produced from its original home nation.

Originally Posted by F82FTW

This is a shame...I would NEVER purchase a BMW product built in Mexico. Period.

I doubt that I'm the minority in that sentiment.

Ok, just as a thought experiment:

The next gen 3 series comes out and blows everything in the segment out of the water. Reviews widely claim it is the best in the segment. You test drive it and you agree. But......it's made in Mexico.......so you'd go with an inferior competitor?

All things being equal if the deciding factor for you is country of assembly, more power to you (not a factor for me). But you'd get an inferior car because of that? Wouldn't that be a bit irrational?

[Sassicaia]

Originally Posted by BMW M Power Mexico

Ok, just as a thought experiment:

The next gen 3 series comes out and blows everything in the segment out of the water. Reviews widely claim it is the best in the segment. You test drive it and you agree. But......it's made in Mexico.......so you'd go with an inferior competitor?

All things being equal if the deciding factor for you is country of assembly, more power to you (not a factor for me). But you'd get an inferior car because of that? Wouldn't that be a bit irrational?

No it wouldn't. The issue of outsource to build overseas is a loss of quality control. It happens with all industries and products. A review will no capture the negative impacts.