[radiantm3]

Originally Posted by twinturbo335

All iPhone are factory locked to whichever carrier you purchase them from. You will need to wait for developers to come up with a method to unlock the phone through jailbreak. Usually takes 1-3 months.

You can purchase an unlocked iPhone 4S overseas in the future for probably $800.

http://www.tuaw.com/2011/10/04/apple...-be-available/

[radiantm3]

Originally Posted by M3Bahn

http://www.tuaw.com/2011/10/04/apple...-be-available/

Ha I just linked that 1 minute later.

[M3Bahn]

Originally Posted by radiantm3

Ha I just linked that 1 minute later.

lol

[M3Bahn]

Did Apple Just Kill T-Mobile

t’s October 4th and we all know what that means, iPhone Day! Well, I’m sure you have heard already but T-Mobile will NOT be receiving an iPhone this year. Big win for the Android faithful, but what does this mean for the carrier on a whole?

It’s a quick opinion, but let’s see what we can figure out here. Apple is one of the only major stakeholders that have not voiced their opinion on the merger, but they have definitely showed their cards with this move. Not allowing an iPhone on the 4th major carrier effectively shows that they don’t think it is worth it. It is not worth the small cost to them, even if they will be receiving increased revenue.

More so, they are even showing that they don’t have faith in T-Mobile, and especially with their future. They believe that AT&T is going to swallow them whole, and maybe it will be better for them that way. The new iPhone is even a world phone, compatible with AT&T, Verizon and SPRINT, and they still don’t want to include T-Mobile in the fun. Maybe they are waiting for T-Mobile to be swallowed whole, allowing them to make the real iPhone 5 4G capable on the three main players. They would need to make a different device for each carrier, but that’s not entirely surprising and is surely within the next evolution of the phone we love to hate, or hate to love depending on your standpoint (for you, probably the former).

The worst part is that this isn’t even the upgrade that everyone was banking on. It is the same old iPhone, just faster. Sure, there are other good things with the upgrade, but nothing like the upgrades you see with Android phones. This evolution of the iPhone took over a year to upgrade, and they only accomplished what Android phone manufacturers have done in 6 months. The simple fact is, and back to the main point, that people will still flock to buy this phone, because of it being “magical.” It’s great branding, and something that Android phones miss the mark on, but being the only major carrier without ‘magic’ kind of pushes you aside.

http://www.tmonews.com/2011/10/did-a...kill-t-mobile/

[Inspired]

Originally Posted by radiantm3

I've owned 2 android phones. My wife works for Google. I design software for a living so I have high expectations for user experience. Android OS is not well-designed at all. It's ugly, clunky, and the hardware market is segmented so building apps for android is a huge mess.

As for the rest of your post, you can compare the iPhone 4s with Android devices all you want. I don't care if the hardware is as good or better because they all run Android. I was comparing the iPhone 4s with the current 4 that I have now. The 4s is better in almost every way that matters.

So the reason you dislike Android is because it is difficult to build apps compared to iOS?

[.:bHd:.]

Originally Posted by radiantm3

How is it a pain? It's seamless. Just need to keep all of your working documents in the dropbox folder. You can move the dropbox folder anywhere you want as well.

too slow and not integrated in apps.

[jpsum]

Originally Posted by radiantm3

Your spec sheet is missing one thing...the operating system. That's the main reason to buy an iPhone over an Android phone. I'm sorry, but it's great software that works seamlessly with it's hardware that's important. iOS 5 is so much better than android its not even funny.

The iPhone 4 has a higher resolution than any android device, and the the iPhone 4s is an improvement over the iPhone 4 in almost every way so I'm not sure why you'd think it's not a good update. There's no point in changing the design of a product that works well in the first place. Apple is well known for sticking with what works. Look at their desktop/laptop lineup and count how many times they've updated the line without ever changing the outside appearance.

Why am I buying an iPhone 4s?

1. Better performance all around
2. Better battery life
3. Better camera
4. Siri
5. 4G equivalent download speeds

Why do I have no desire to buy an Android phone?

Because Android OS is a pile of crap. Samsung and HTC make great phones and the numbers make for a great spec matrix, but the OS that runs on them sucks. The OS is what I interact with on a daily basis so why would I choose that over iOS?

I've used both phones, I could easily switch back from android to iphone and so forth. I like certain things on each phone.

I think it's fair to say you are an apple fanboy. Why? Because if anyone could be so one sided on a topic such as iOS vs Andriod, you sir are drinking too much of that kool aid. Android is not a pile of shit. If you spend anytime using it with an open mind, you know it's just different from iOS but not a pile of shit. It's like being a BMW fan and thinks Audi is a pile of shit.

[radiantm3]

Originally Posted by twinturbo335

So the reason you dislike Android is because it is difficult to build apps compared to iOS?

No, it has nothing to do with developing apps. I was giving a reason why Android OS is worse. Devices all have different specs, resolutions, and aspect ratios so the OS has to be generic as well as stay backwards compatible for a long time. This is the same problem Microsoft has had with Windows.

[Kroy]

Originally Posted by ragingclue

To be fair, I should clarify my statement of the SGSII being "nowhere near a new phone". As far as specs go, it's at or near the top in a lot of categories, but it's frustrating when phones like this are found overseas for as long as this one was, and then is hawked here as the latest and greatest.

That being said, at least it will have a head start on bugfixes. I don't think that will be the case with the Prime, as it seems to have had its release date moved up to battle the iP4S, so I almost expect issues.

Basically just some software updates for the Prime, right? I know samsung is notorious for not keeping up well with updates, you think this'll be a similar case?

Also curious what you think about the Bionic.

[radiantm3]

Originally Posted by jpsum

I've used both phones, I could easily switch back from android to iphone and so forth. I like certain things on each phone.

I think it's fair to say you are an apple fanboy. Why? Because if anyone could be so one sided on a topic such as iOS vs Andriod, you sir are drinking too much of that kool aid. Android is not a pile of shit. If you spend anytime using it with an open mind, you know it's just different from iOS but not a pile of shit. It's like being a BMW fan and thinks Audi is a pile of shit.

No it's not kool aid. I study software carefully from a user interaction and experience perspective. It's part of my job. So I notice the pros and cons of software design at a much deeper level than the average user. Like I said, I've owned 2 android devices so I'm not speaking blindly. Android works fine as an OS just as a chevy malibu works fine as a car. For most people all they care about is getting from point a to point b and android is great for that. But others care about the experience, design, and details.

[ragingclue]

Originally Posted by Kroy

Basically just some software updates for the Prime, right? I know samsung is notorious for not keeping up well with updates, you think this'll be a similar case?

Also curious what you think about the Bionic.

AFAIK, the Nexus S did not have problems receiving timely updates, and that was also a Samsung. The Nexus aren't supposed to be saddled by that, although I bet ICS will feel more like a Beta for a while. At least the bugs will get fixed in a timely manner though. The hardware upgrade from the SGSII to the Prime makes the Prime seem like it could be the SGSIII if it wanted to, but not by much.

I like the Bionic. I'm not a fan of Moto's locked bootloader, but I don't know if they've changed that lately with the whole corporate merry-go-round that's been going on. I haven't played with a rooted and tweaked one yet, but I'd imagine it's smoking.

[BayMoWe335]

Originally Posted by radiantm3

No it's not kool aid. I study software carefully from a user interaction and experience perspective. It's part of my job. So I notice the pros and cons of software design at a much deeper level than the average user. Like I said, I've owned 2 android devices so I'm not speaking blindly. Android works fine as an OS just as a chevy malibu works fine as a car. For most people all they care about is getting from point a to point b and android is great for that. But others care about the experience, design, and details.

I would agree and I've been shouting that Android has great phones that kill iPhone in performance, features, and screen size. STILL, after owning an Atrix since it came out and running Gingerbread, iOS destroys Android in stability, usability, and simplicity. The only thing I really missed on iOS was the notifcation bar, which Apple has copied in iOS 5. Android is glitchy as hell and just seems more forced and less smooth. Android isn't nearly as intuitive either.

I went away from iPhone and really like my Atrix, but I am thinking of going back for the 4S. Is it an iPhone 5? No, but now it's on a much more level playing field in terms of hardware and has better software to counter Anrdroid devices.

[Kroy]

Originally Posted by radiantm3

No it's not kool aid. I study software carefully from a user interaction and experience perspective. It's part of my job. So I notice the pros and cons of software design at a much deeper level than the average user. Like I said, I've owned 2 android devices so I'm not speaking blindly. Android works fine as an OS just as a chevy malibu works fine as a car. For most people all they care about is getting from point a to point b and android is great for that. But others care about the experience, design, and details.

Think I can see where you're coming from. My friend and I often have this debate about specs. I'm usually on the side of Android, which usually has better hardware specs but my friend argues for iOS. Basically the argument boils down to the fact that each manufacturer has their own version of Android OS, while iOS has only one source. So while iphone may not have the hardware specs many Android phones carry, it focuses more on usability. Even playing around with my friend's 3GS, it seems to run very fluidly; while android phones often feel clunky.

Originally Posted by ragingclue

AFAIK, the Nexus S did not have problems receiving timely updates, and that was also a Samsung. The Nexus aren't supposed to be saddled by that, although I bet ICS will feel more like a Beta for a while. At least the bugs will get fixed in a timely manner though. The hardware upgrade from the SGSII to the Prime makes the Prime seem like it could be the SGSIII if it wanted to, but not by much.

I like the Bionic. I'm not a fan of Moto's locked bootloader, but I don't know if they've changed that lately with the whole corporate merry-go-round that's been going on. I haven't played with a rooted and tweaked one yet, but I'd imagine it's smoking.

I'm going to upgrade from a Milestone . Even though my phone is a worthless POS, I'm bearing with it till a solid next gen phone comes out. I was almost convinced to get a Thunderbird couple months ago but ultimately decided I want to wait for a dual core 4G phone. My experience with the Milestone has taught me patience. Literally 3 months after I bought my then new Milestone, all the 1ghz phones came out. Then again, this kind of goes with what you were complaining earlier about SGSII not being new tech.

[Inspired]

Originally Posted by radiantm3

No it's not kool aid. I study software carefully from a user interaction and experience perspective. It's part of my job. So I notice the pros and cons of software design at a much deeper level than the average user. Like I said, I've owned 2 android devices so I'm not speaking blindly. Android works fine as an OS just as a chevy malibu works fine as a car. For most people all they care about is getting from point a to point b and android is great for that. But others care about the experience, design, and details.

Android as chevy malibu?

I think what you are trying to say is that Android is a 335. The HPFP can go out any moment. However, you have numerous modifications you can do on the Android that iOS will never be able to do. EX: SetCPU.

The 328--> iOS. Reliable but not much modification you can do.

[ragingclue]

Android devices have the added burden of carrier and manufacturer bloatware and restrictions. It's a shame really. However, root and hack away, and they turn into completely different devices.

I would not own a stock Android device, but at the same time I wasn't happy with my iPhones when they weren't jailbroken either. The root on the Android devices makes much more difference though.

[E90SoFlo]

Im confused, what "android" devices where at the Apple conference this year?

[KingOfJericho]

Originally Posted by E90SoFlo

Im confused, what "android" devices where at the Apple conference this year?

This.

[M3Bahn]

Apple stumble seen opening door for rivals

Reuters) - Rival smartphone makers could exploit a rare letdown by Apple in the launch of its new iPhone 4S model, which failed to wow fans, and grab a bigger share of the most lucrative part of the phone market.

However, analysts also noted that Apple's decision to keep older iPhone models and slash their prices, would help the U.S. firm to reach the bigger, mass market, where it will be in more direct competition with phones using Google's Android software.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...topNews&rpc=71

[ragingclue]

Originally Posted by E90SoFlo

Im confused, what "android" devices where at the Apple conference this year?

Due to the underwhelming news of the Apple conference, several posters have mentioned they're thinking of getting other phones (which happen to be Android). This is relevant.

The underwhelmingness of the Apple announcements at the Apple conference seem to be having consequences, and this is completely on topic. I know some of you guys would like to just stroke each other about your iPhones, but a discussion concerning the conference also includes ramifications of announcements. Sorry.

There is also an iPhone 4S thread around, to go with the eighty billion other iPhone threads.

[KingOfJericho]

I really don't understand why anyone would be disappointed with the 4S and how that would push anyone into an Android who was considering an iPhone. I also don't see how anyone is surprised by this news. All of the speculation I saw was pointing toward a faster processor, better camera, and possibly a new shape or case. We got 2 of 3 and the one that we didn't get will help avoid the annoyance of having to buy new cases, etc. I like the shape of my 4 and think anything thinner than that would increase the likelihood of it flexing and breaking.

[ragingclue]

Originally Posted by KingOfJericho

I really don't understand why anyone would be disappointed with the 4S and how that would push anyone into an Android who was considering an iPhone. I also don't see how anyone is surprised by this news. All of the speculation I saw was pointing toward a faster processor, better camera, and possibly a new shape or case. We got 2 of 3 and the one that we didn't get will help avoid the annoyance of having to buy new cases, etc. I like the shape of my 4 and think anything thinner than that would increase the likelihood of it flexing and breaking.

I couldn't believe there were rumors going around that a true "5" would be coming out this year and also some people were still pushing rumors of LTE not too long ago.... To those who really researched it, we knew it was going to be a "4S" regardless of what Apple named it, but for some reason SO MANY people still thought it was going to be a generational leap. I don't know why, but they did, and now that it's not, they're upset.

[Blake]

Originally Posted by KingOfJericho

I really don't understand why anyone would be disappointed with the 4S and how that would push anyone into an Android who was considering an iPhone. I also don't see how anyone is surprised by this news.

you're kinda missing the point why all of us have been bitching ITT. we expected more from apple, and they didn't deliver. they're starting to fall behind, and us that like to keep up with the times are headed over to the side with the best hardware...for now. i use my phone for just about everything but phone calls, so the most up-to-date hardware, big screen, LTE is important to me. since it appears that apple won't be offering us anything like that until next year, i'm going to go drink the android koolaid for a while. i've done it before. i swear no allegiance to mobile devices. i would have stayed iphone loyal if apple didn't just drop a big turd yesterday.