[3M TAPE]

I've owned a DCT M3 (E92) and a 6MT M3 (E90 zcp) in the past.
Then, I got a 8spd AT Lexus IS-F and now a 6MT TT-RS.

I still do not know which one I prefer.
I honestly like both trannies (AT and 6MT)

[tuco44]

Originally Posted by Zayken

MT is dead .

There is a 25% of people who accept changes latest than the rest 75% .
Whoever had a serious sales seminar knows that.

It is very unlikely that these people will accept something new easily.

I drove Mt for 8 years. It was hard for me to accept that a machine can replace me!
Naturally i think that its safer to grab the steering using both of my arms and this is without any doubt the most serious advantage that a good AT offers during fast driving conditions!

Forgot to say that after going dct at Z435i there is no return.

Once you go AT (dct), you never go back (Mt)

For you maybe. Not for me, I have had 2 DCT cars (M3 and 135i) and traded the 135i DCT for a 135i 6MT. Nothing beats the involvement of driving a manual car, and for me, it makes me a more attentive driver.

YMMV.

[SickFinga]

In case anyone wonders, the last 7 series with a manual transmission was E38. The last manual 7 series that was sold in the US was the E32 735i. Between 1988 and 1990, BMW built only 1,069 of them. Just to put it in perspective, BMW built 30,198 automatic versions of the same model.

[SoCali E36]

Originally Posted by ///mawana

Doubt he really wanted a manual! Those who want a manual will wait for it...

Exactly! Every BMW that I have owned except for the current e36 were all ordered because I wanted a manual. His friend wanted a 435i not a manual.

[X6mac]

Originally Posted by mashimarho

I don't buy my BMWs because of fuel economy and shifting points to begin with

[bungo]

Originally Posted by Imola.ZHP

I'll continue to drive (and prefer) manual transmission cars until my left leg is no longer operable.

I second that!

[Drew10]

Originally Posted by openwheelracing

The choice is easy for me. For any given car, as long as it offers an automatic transmission that outclasses its manual counter part, I would choose the automatic. Otherwise, I shift my own gears.

I don't understand those who "must" have manuals. I can understand those who only drive automatics (my wife), but why would ANY self proclaimed "car enthusiast" limit himself to a manual transmission?

Technology has eliminated the need for this



but they still do it. The same goes for people who like manual tansmissions.

[conradb]

I've driven many types of transmissions. Honestly, the traditional H pattern w/ clutch is only good for some fun/enthusiast driving. It's not built for the track, even though it obviously can be used, but hey, so can an AT. The H pattern is too error-prone and you can easily misshift, causing some potentially serious damage. I have DCT in my E92 M3, and I really enjoy it 90% of the time. I've taken it on the track and it's great for upshifts. On downshifts it's kinda retarded sometimes. I've driven true dogbox racing SMG's in entry level formula cars, and they're great on the track.

I'm actually looking at getting my hands on a used Radical SR3 RS next year w/ a 6spd SMG dogbox. I will also be doing Euro delivery on a new 550i in 2 weeks! I opted for the 8spd sports AT w/ paddles. Sometimes I miss having an H pattern, as I did on my '89 325i, but when I sit in LA traffic I'm glad I don't have a clutch for my DD.

[aussiem3]

6MT is dead in Australia.

[dnanrub]

The electric car revolution will be the final nail.... Luckily we have a few years left

[2moor]

I woulda loved a manual transmission in my e92 m3, as i had it in my previous e92.

The reason I got DCT, was for the people around me. My mom and sister do not know how to drive manual; as well as the future Mrs. (as i do want to keep this car forever).
Yet my mom or sister have not driven my car, so haha I guess it's a good sign either way. All in all, if i had an extra personal car for me it would be in a MT.
E46 M3 so raw with the MT.

[E85BMW]

Originally Posted by Zayken

Once you go AT (dct), you never go back (Mt)

There's my laugh for the day

Originally Posted by Imola.ZHP

I'll continue to drive (and prefer) manual transmission cars until my left leg is no longer operable.

Exactly!

[diononiz]

I had a manual E93 M3 and actually prefer driving a manual. My M6 GC though is a DCT. Considering traffic in the Bay Area and the kids, my last two cars have been automatics.

[Mrida335]

I have never driven AT or DCT car that is as engaging to the driver than a Manual. Period.
Are manuals a bitch in traffic? Ya sometimes but really if you know what your doing then you don't even think about it.

I'm sorry but as efficient as these auto's and DCT's are they will never be able to transmit that beautiful connection between you and the car. Same reason people love Bikes. they are RAW

BMW has always committed to building the drivers car, not the car that drives you. I hope the bean counters keep it that way.

[Neph]

Many ppl who don't "get" MT are simply afraid of the unknown. With this comes intimidation.

Now that the performance and efficiency numbers back them up, they will continue to live in their world without the pleasures of truly "driving" rather than moving around.

Their loss!

[1&done]

Originally Posted by SickFinga

In case anyone wonders, the last 7 series with a manual transmission was E38. The last manual 7 series that was sold in the US was the E32 735i. Between 1988 and 1990, BMW built only 1,069 of them. Just to put it in perspective, BMW built 30,198 automatic versions of the same model.

I agree, if I were buying a 7-series I would want an auto, but for a sports car I vote manual. Less maintenance. Less weight, and fun factor.

I like the DCT in the E9X M3, just prefer the feel of a manual, more control...

Thnx for the post Jason

[DesertSmokeBBQ]

If HALF the people on this forum who are constantly whining about the lack of 3er manual availability would BUY one, the balance would surely swing to the other end

[HolyChitMeng]

availability of manuals is whats killing it, i had to wait 6 months in order to find a 335is with a manual and had to wait for ED to pick up my M3 with a manual. But i guess the wait was worth it

[Never Convicted]

Interesting...a thread about MT vs DCT. I don't think I've ever seen a thread on here about this.

[Ginger_Extract]

I don't have brand loyalty. If BMW stops producing cars with MT, I go elsewhere. Hell, I'm about 90% certain my next car won't even BE ANY BMW, period. Non-///M cars just don't handle right, and at this point, I'd rather have an older MT car for DD, and a track/weekend MT car. Point is, I'm not giving up the three pedals, ever.

[E85BMW]

Originally Posted by Neph

Many ppl who don't "get" MT are simply afraid of the unknown. With this comes intimidation.

Have a friend that refuses to learn to drive a manual between she thinks it's too difficult. After one lesson she finally realized it wasn't as difficult as she thought, but still won't pursue learning more.

I keep telling her it's essential to learn in case you need to drive someone if they're drunk and all they have is a car with a manual transmission.

[Staszek]

All I know is when I picked up my M3 during Euro Delivery the delivery specialist said, "BTW thank you for buying the 6 speed". I am guessing they are not seeing as many MTs coming through the doors these days at the Welt.