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Good point about the B58TU. That makes more sense. In fact, I think I’m starting to remember this having been discussed here before with lemetier and ynguldyn weighing in. |
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And we only need a few well chosen settings, not hundreds.
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An M2 CSL will be DCT only, guaranteed. And around $130k MSRP, so most people who declared themselves in, will in fact be out.
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I don't want a DCT-only M2 CLS festooned (sorry) with wings, splitters and any other number of aerodynamic enhancements that mean nothing if the car is not primarily a track car. Still, I hope it is built and used for that purpose.
I want the S55 in the M2 with a MT. Perhaps that will be the M2 CS, but I actually would prefer the standard M2 with the S55. I think the car looks boy-racer enough without add-ons. But then again, my favorite car remains my E39 M5, so what do I know?
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I was going to buy an M2 until I found out I was 20th on the wait list But now I'm obsessed and enamored with all the M4 goodies So basically BMW lured me in with the M2 and got the up sell. |
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Yep! That is the ///Marketing plan! I've been saying this since 2016 and saw it in action with the 1M in 2011. The M2 is marketed as a loss leader. Advertise M2 sizzle. No product in stock. So...advisors must Sell customers up to M3 or M4 Sell customers down to M235/M240 The Dealers takes in more cash for selling the m235/240/M3/M4 than they would selling an M2. And yes. The M4 is Huuuuge. Way too big a coupe for me. |
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And as best I can recall, 3 throttle, 3 steering, and 3 suspension settings yields 27 combinations. Not quite hundreds. |
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Scottt did mention about a G30 M550e coming, any hints on that one?
And the upgraded hybrid power train only for 7 & X5? |
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You are probably right about the DCT, so therefore I AM out. The price will not be the limiting factor, but the availability/scarcity will!
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If you notice in what was once considered M2 CS spy videos, the cars have no additional camo covered aero pieces like the M4 CS spy videos. They all sound and look the same...a base looking M2 with minor camo covering updates and a distinct S55 exhaust note. The M2 Competition(not CS), will replace the N55 M2 which ends production June 2018. It will be given a detuned S55, larger brakes(from spy videos), new seats, exterior refresh. This isn’t just a package like on other M models. The new name and price increase will help BMW explain the move to current N55 M2 owners. Spy videos of M2 CSL will eventually surface following Competition release like the M4 GTS...with big wing, splitter, diffuser, roll cage...etc. BMW would not R&D the S55 for the M2 chassis and deal with all emissions regulation tests for one low volume CSL model. They would never recoup their money on 750 or 1000 units worldwide. Bean counters would not approve that. Last edited by DieGrüneHölle; 11-03-2017 at 12:49 AM.. |
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Great to see the M2 top variant all but confirmed. Surely it's back to looking at the Moto GP car minus gold rims and emergency lights now
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Thanks for the reference. I added the post number to your QUOTE tag so it’s easy for people to find the original.
Anyway, I suppose the next question would be, is there any chance that the N55 powered car is ending production to make way for a B58TU powered update? I acknowledge that it is pretty unlikely this could occur without ynguldyn getting wind of it. On the other hand, any breadcrumbs that might lead to the identity of and info about the new limited M3 model coming next year have escaped detection so far. So it does happen from time to time. Quote:
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Furthermore, and I guess this point should have been weighted higher that the one above, it was never suggested that the S55 would only be used in the CSL. Right? As far as I know, the prevailing theory was always that it would be used in both the ”CS” and the CSL. So either way, it would see much more production than just a thousand or so units. The question on the table is whether or not the “CS” will become the new base model, not whether or not it will use the S55. |
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I'll admit I'm probably one of those buyers. My guess is I'd really love driving the M2, but I prefer the interior (and color choices) of the M3 a bit more. |
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I have a 528 lease expiring on 5/30/2018, with the potential for a 3 month pull-forward in March. Wife's car which I am going to replace with an X5 40e. The mention of an upgraded powertrain to the X5 45e (and 745e should have the same specs) is VERY interesting. I've been expecting the G05 to have the higher capacity battery expected in the i3, but no details, yet. An increase in electric range of 50% would make all the difference for my wife's commute and is very attractive. It comes down to whether I take advantage of what I expect will be deals on a close-out 2018 next June, or extending the 528 lease for a G05 in Nov 2019. As such, I'll following any info on this new powertrain avidly. Does anyone have anything to offer about this upgrade? I'm hoping that info on the 745e will be available before the X5 45e, since it's probably an LCI, as contrasted to a completely new model. They should be the same.
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I sold my 1M after 6 months for an M3. My biggest complaint was sub-par interior materials. I used the M3 everyday and wanted to be coddled a little more. I don’t regret the decision at all, the M3 was just better all around.
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But when you addressed the idea that BMW would not go through the trouble of putting the S55 into the M2 just for the limited CSL model, it read to me as though you were using this fact as a means to further bolster the theory that the Competition model will become the new base model. What I was saying was that the S55 was going to see much more widespread use than just in the CSL no matter what they did with the base model. So, my point was, there is nothing about the Competition getting the S55 that adds any weight to the "base model theory". They could slot a B58 in either way - and the S55 will still get volume use in the Competition. That said, ironically, the logic could sort of be used in reverse as an argument against a base model. That is, why bother certifying the B58 when most everyone will want the Competition model anyway? I think the the M3/M4 Competition package - which I do understand is a slightly different animal from this new M2 Competition - has a take rate of over 80% or something like that. So I could easily see how BMW might forecast that the S55 M2 Competition model would similarly dominate sales, making the B58 not worth the trouble. Anyway, everything else you say makes a good deal of sense to me. I am still going to be a bit surprised if the S55 M2 doesn't get a good 10% bump up in price. I think the market will certainly bear it, and that would still leave it just under $60k MSRP to start. |
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