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It's kind of odd that the same people that are worried about the quality of future BMW's made in Mexico probably dont have a problem with the quality of the meat,poultry,produce (fruit and vegetables) found in this country that are handled by Mexicans.
some people here should visit a meat packing plant,nothern CA produce fields etc. I guess to some what you drive is more important than what you put in your body. Last edited by US///M3; 08-07-2012 at 09:36 PM.. |
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Don't f.... do this FWD!
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08-07-2012, 09:49 PM | #135 |
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Do you think the robots on the 3 series assembly line in Mexico wont have the same sense of national pride? The 3 series isnt exactly handbuilt.
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08-07-2012, 10:38 PM | #137 |
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There is this widespread mental masturbation by some of the less informned VW owners, where they blame the shitty reliability of their cars on Mexican assembly.
Except the German built GTIs and Passats are just as unreliable as the Mexican built Jettas. Truth is that a brand new, state of the art factory in Mexico will probably have a higher standard of assembly than the old German plants, much like the S. African plants do. It's nice to see BMW owners repeating that BS here though. |
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08-07-2012, 11:02 PM | #138 | |
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Note that BMW is talking about building their new FWD models in Mexico and probably volume entry-level 3-series like the Munich plant now builds. As for the armored vehicles, this is a custom application that is most likely built in a low-volume setting using skilled craftsmen vs. the average assembly plant. I don't doubt your claim that Mexico is an up-and-coming automotive manufacturing country, but I suggest that for many the made-in-Mexico label will carry a stigma for now. I remember when "made in Japan" meant cheap, shoddy goods, even after that country embraced statistical process control and were building high quality goods. There may just be a lag between perception and reality.
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08-07-2012, 11:05 PM | #139 |
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The comments on this thread range from humorous to downright insulting. While I would love to see BMW expand their US production, the reasons given in the announcement make a lot of sense given the currency fluctuations in the EuroZone. Producing a vehicle in Mexico has NOTHING to do with said vehicle's quality. VW has never been known for high quality vehicles, regardless of where they are produced.
Regarding European Delivery, what happens today? Guess what...3-Series are produced in Rosslyn, South Africa too. Does one have to fly to SA to pick up their cars on safari instead of in Muenchen? Of course not. Expanding production to another location has nothing to do with the Euro Delivery experience.
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Globalization of production will allow BMW to have a better handle on its FX risk. Imagine if Germany decides to leave the EuroZone and introduce the DM? It will skyrocket in value, which makes all GM-produced cars go up in price. An E92 M3 starts at something like $85K USD in Germany. If production costs go up rapidly, you can bet that BMW will pass the increases to the customer! Now, with that being said, it's a bit of a leap saying that BMW will suddenly start making M-cars in Mexico. My guess is that the volumes are small enough such that the Germany will keep M-car production while farming out the lower-end 1 & 3s to Mexico. On the other hand, even if the M3 is made in Mexico, look on the bright side: no more ridiculous 8 weeks from production to delivery. :-) |
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08-08-2012, 12:21 AM | #141 | |
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It's so funny how some use the race card so easy. It's not racist to expect that if BMW is coming all this way to build a plant, that they should come here and not go to our back yard and give us the finger and a big "fuck you"!! If they were building a plant in Zimbabwe, I'd not be upset, I'd figure that fits their needs in that part of the world. But here in NA, were too close to not be insulted. I'm not worried about the quality, it will be fine, it's the principle that matters.
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However, since 1992 BMW has invested $2.2 billion (wikipedia) into the Spartanburg plant and continues to expand production there which not only benefits the 7000 working directly for them but indirectly like the individuals who constructed the plant and restaurants who feed these thousands of individuals. I honestly don't understand how you and others can say that BMW is giving Mexico favoritism when they have already done so much for SC and the American people, in no way is this article saying that they're moving American jobs in SC somewhere else, if anything people in Germany should be worried about losing jobs, not Americans. |
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As you said it yourself BMW is a for profit company meaning they don't have to be charitable. You have the right to not buy their cars if you feel that the quality of their Mexican made cars are not up to par and I suggest others to do the same. But as others have mentioned the cars will mostly be made by robots so the quality should be the same no matter which country it is being produced in. In the grand scheme of things if BMW produces their 1 & 3-series in Mexico the average buyer would never notice the difference, your typical BMW owner would never read the sticker that clearly labels where their car is made even though it's visible every time they get in to drive their car. |
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VW has had lots of issues with Hecho en Mexico cars. But then, I had a horribly unreliable VW that was built in Germany. So, who knows. |
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BMW is a company that usually knows what they're doing - especially about the quality of their cars. This will occur in 2016/17, right? The world will change plenty of times! I don't get people who say they won't buy bimmers anymore just because SOME of them are made in Mexico. :
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All BMW engines are either built in Graz, Austria or Munich, then shipped wherever for assembly, same will be true for Mexico.
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OEM's get taxed based on amount of localized content (locally sourced suppliers) in relation to the assembly plant. They also need to have a certain % of the total vehicle with parts produced locally for custom compliance. The more you import parts, the higher duties you pay and the less you can make the statement of "made in NAFTA". The majority of your components are German, because your final vehicle assembly point was German. Don't think that a vehicle made in the Mexico will have the majority of it's components/parts built in Germany. Some of the powertrain might be sourced from Europe, but there are also discussions of the German automakers building powertrain plants locally (some joint ventures with other OEM's). |
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