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Originally Posted by ynguldyn

I believe you misspelled "craigslist.org" in your browser's location bar.

true. thanks!

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

Yeah, just like I said they would be. M50i will be N63B44O3.

Ok right, yeah, for some reason I had it in my mind for a minute that the new “O” motors would come at the same time as the TUs.

I wonder if the vehicles that get the N63 O3 in M50i trim will also start getting the B58 O1 in 40i trim next year?

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

I wonder if the vehicles that get the N63 O3 in M50i trim will also start getting the B58 O1 in 40i trim next year?

O1 will be the M40i engine, so only G01, G02, G2x.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

O1 will be the M40i engine, so only G01, G02, G2x.

Yeah, I just wasn’t sure if they were going to limit it to M40i models or if they would also put it in some of the higher end 40i models.

It seems like they could fill the void between the 40i and M50i (which will be nearly 200hp) by adding more 45e models besides just the X5 and 7 Series.

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

It seems like they could fill the void between the 40i and M50i (which will be nearly 200hp) by adding more 45e models besides just the X5 and 7 Series.

The gap between 30i and M40i in lower models will be over 130hp, so I think this is intentional.

As for 45e, it will be available on G3x, G11/G12, and G05 (maybe more later), so it's actually good coverage, with only G14/G15/G16 missing out, but given their niche status that's not really a problem.

[ted99]

You show the G20 330e as a 2019 release co-incident with all the G20 models and the G05 45e as a 2020 release a year after the initial release of the G05. Do you have any information on this timing? I would presume that the G20 330e will use the same battery technology as the 2019 i3, with the expected 50% increase in capacity. I don't understand why the 45e is being delayed a year unless some new battery technology is expected.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by ted99

You show the G20 330e as a 2019 release co-incident with all the G20 models...

Technically, it is just shown as being due in the same model year. My understanding is that, for the US, only the 330i will be available at launch. Like the M340i, the 330e would then perhaps come sometime after the initial release but before MY2020.

I would presume that the G20 330e will use the same battery technology as the 2019 i3, with the expected 50% increase in capacity.

The G20 330e will most likely use the same powertrain that is currently used in the G30 530e. The 45e models, on the other hand, are an evolution of the existing 40e hardware that is simply not ready for release quite yet.

Regarding battery technology used in the PHEV models and how closely that relates to and borrows from the i-brand pure electric models, I would not presume to know the specifics but I would not necessarily assume that the two are tightly linked. I suspect that costs in the PHEV models are extremely sensitive due to the dual powertrain and market positioning while the EV may have more freedom. Just my hunch though.

[BimmerMat135]

I was looking at the latest order guide for MY2019 and the only remaining car is the 540d. It seem like the B47 isn't coming any time soon and the X5-X7 don't show diesel option for 2019 and 2020 according to rumors.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by BimmerMat135

I was looking at the latest order guide for MY2019 and the only remaining car is the 540d. It seem like the B47 isn't coming any time soon and the X5-X7 don't show diesel option for 2019 and 2020 according to rumors.

The B47 would arrive in the X3 30d which is still slated for MY2019. It is not available for the start of the model year, but it may very well come later. This would be similar to the 540d which you may recall was a late arrival for MY2018, finally showing up in January of this year. A 330d also remains a possibility sometime after the initial launch of the G20 later this year.

While there is no guarantee, it is too early to write off diesels just yet. If there is no sign of anything new over the next twelve months, then it would be time to revisit the question.

[GG1]

It seems to me that the new Z4 (G29) is using the B58 TU engine. Will the 2019 M240i use this same B58 TU?

I talked to my dealer about the 2019 M240i. He said that the HUD has a "good chance" of making it into the 2019 M240i, as well as a "very good chance" that the there will be new colors. Any comments?

Unfortunately, I didn't ask him about the engine.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by GG1

It seems to me that the new Z4 (G29) is using the B58 TU engine. Will the 2019 M240i use this same B58 TU?

The Z4 will get one of two different B58 TU engines depending on market - the M1 and the O1. It is highly unlikely (approaching 0% chance IMHO) that the M240i will ever get the O1 engine. It is slightly more likely it could get the M1, but that would have little tangible benefit from a performance perspective since that engine makes 335hp and the M240i is already using the 335hp version of the pre-TU engine (M0).

I talked to my dealer about the 2019 M240i. He said that the HUD has a "good chance" of making it into the 2019 M240i, as well as a "very good chance" that the there will be new colors. Any comments?

Unfortunately, I didn't ask him about the engine.

Generally speaking, dealerships know less about upcoming products than the more informed internet sources like Bimmerpost.

[GG1]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

The Z4 will get one of two different B58 TU engines depending on market - the M1 and the O1. It is highly unlikely (approaching 0% chance IMHO) that the M240i will ever get the O1 engine. It is slightly more likely it could get the M1, but that would have little tangible benefit from a performance perspective since that engine makes 335hp and the M240i is already using the 335hp version of the pre-TU engine (M0).

Generally speaking, dealerships know less about upcoming products than the more informed internet sources like Bimmerpost.

Thanks for the reply. What does the -M1 revision offer?

Good to know. This thread is a fountain of knowledge. Much appreciated.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by GG1

Thanks for the reply. What does the -M1 revision offer?

Edit: Sorry, I misread, thinking you were asking about the O1, not the M1. The M1 has no additional power as I had mentioned, instead bringing other small improvements.

Good to know. This thread is a fountain of knowledge. Much appreciated.

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

<mistaken reply>

That's probably a typo. O1 is the 290kW one. M1 is 250kW.

I don't see any hint of a B58TU M240i, which means it'll keep the current engine for at least another model year, probably for two, and possibly for the rest of its run. I believe a lot will depend on the emissions situation (M1 seems to be mostly about that, with no tangible performance improvements over M0).

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

That's probably a typo. O1 is the 290kW one. M1 is 250kW.

Yep, my mistake. I misread and thought he was asking about the O1 since I’d mentioned that the M1 won’t bring more power. But yes, like you say, I would think M1 will improve emissions vs. the M0.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/globa...or-summer-2018

Reviving this post to raise a different point. That is, I don’t see mention of the B48 TU appearing in the G30 530i outside of North America. I wonder if it’s still on the plate for arrival mid-2018. Or did they push it back?

Edit: Hmm, re-reading the OP, this was never a lock anyway, just a possibility. So maybe they’ll just wait until next year and do all the G30 gas engine upgrades at the same time worldwide.

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

Reviving this post to raise a different point. That is, I don’t see mention of the B48 TU appearing in the G30 530i outside of North America. I wonder if it’s still on the plate for arrival mid-2018. Or did they push it back?

It just looks like a quiet rollout, probably because the performance numbers haven't changed. Production G30s with the new engine are already being built.

[matbl]

Ynguldyn,
Anything in your crystal ball for the i models? iX3? i4? Etc...

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by matbl

Ynguldyn,
Anything in your crystal ball for the i models? iX3? i4? Etc...

All I know is iX3 (or one of its versions) will likely have a 75kWh battery pack. But since I still see no specific models listed anywhere, they should be at least a couple of years away.

[SCMike]

As the F36 4GC slides off towards its 07/20 EOP terminus, any chance that it will receive any significant changes (B58 TU engine?) prior to EOP? Any chance that it will get an earlier termination prior to 07/20 (strange BMW stuff going on with euro emissions reg changes)?

[mkoesel]

I see that German BMW news site Bimmertoday is now claiming that the G43, the next generation CLAR-based 2 Series convertible, has been shelved. If true, that's a bit a of an unexpected twist, but given the decreasing demand for small "sports cars" perhaps not such a big surprise. This would leave the future G42 2 Series coupe (and the closely related G8x M2) as the sole sub-3-Series RWD model.

[kern417]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

I see that German BMW news site Bimmertoday is now claiming that the G43, the next generation CLAR-based 2 Series convertible, has been shelved. If true, that's a bit a of an unexpected twist, but given the decreasing demand for small "sports cars" perhaps not such a big surprise. This would leave the future G42 2 Series coupe (and the closely related G8x M2) as the sole sub-3-Series RWD model.

They need to replace the convertible with a 1 series sedan (think A3/S3 competitor)