[No Boost]

Interested in the US-only M2 racing (tentatively) scheduled for early 2020. Would that be a sort of poor-man's CSL because I'm down with not spending $100k on an M2 iteration of any sort.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Stage IV

Interested in the US-only M2 racing (tentatively) scheduled for early 2020. Would that be a sort of poor-man's CSL because I'm down with not spending $100k on an M2 iteration of any sort.

The M235 racing sold for something around 85-90k iirc. I actually did consider it briefly but the auto box is meh.

I would expect an M2 racing to run a lot more than the M2 CSL but they both should benefit from each other when it comes to production costs for any items that are unique to the two models ( aero and lightweight panels ).

I really feel that many people are simply assuming over 100k for an M2 CSL based on the M4 GTS pricing ... however I think that's a misleading way to begin.

The M4 GTS came at the beginning of the run and many items created for it were unique to it only.

Water injection
Complete suspension
Front and rear aero
Super lightweight wheels (optional)
Zillion dollar OLED taillights

Those items have then trickled down to other models like the M3 ($98k) and M4 CS. ($105k)


BMW has already produced many of the items that likely will be on an M2 CSL. Aero and Suspension will come via the M4 GTS. Many of the weight panels like the roof, fenders , hood and decklid will be from the M performance catalog. CC brakes if employed , also would be trickle down.

One can already see how the parts bin approach makes for a much smaller price tag. Many M2 fans were concerned the M2 competition would be well into the M4 range but it came out at 59k. The big silver calipers were taken form another model. The 763 wheels are already available.

Items like OLED tails can stay in the parts bin for all I care. Water injection is a curiously unique item that could also trickle down from the M4 GTS and really increase performance over the M2 Competition. That could add to the price tag for sure.

Porsche Cayman GTS is 82k and the GT4 likely may hit 100k, but typically BMW is a much better performance bargain than a Porsche.

If an M2 CSL/GTS comes out in the six figure range I simply can't imagine it being well received ( read: it would be a NO for me too!) and I certainly don't anticipate it running more than the M3 or M4 CS in the same way that the M2 competition stayed well away from the M4 ZCP.

[SCOTT26]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

I'm not sure what "JCW GP" is. There's just JCW. 170kW in F56.

B58B30O1 is 285kW.

For everything else, just wait and see.

They are going to do a JCW GP. There are Ideas but definitely,definitely,definitelyfar more restrained than the Concept Car.
The MINI-e is a riot to drive.

[choupaps]

Thanks Scott.

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/n...ng-128362.html

Here are spyshots of it, perhaps that it is an EU specific model ?

[RPM33]

Originally Posted by Stage IV

Interested in the US-only M2 racing (tentatively) scheduled for early 2020. Would that be a sort of poor-man's CSL because I'm down with not spending $100k on an M2 iteration of any sort.

Any news about the M2 racing or M2 CSL?

[mkoesel]

So it turns out the 45e is an I6 rather than an I4 as was used in the outgoing 40e:

https://g05.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1532990

This surprises me because I had expected more power from BMW's second generation I6 hybrid setup when it finally hit the market, such as perhaps a "50e" with 450hp or even more. Per the X5 45e press release, the TwinPower I6 used in this application is the least powerful BMW has ever released for regular production - nearly 100hp shy (on its own) of the new B58B30O1 coming soon to the G20 M340i and G29 Z4 M40i.

Furthermore, it's a shame that the 40e will be left with no immediate replacement in terms of a high output four cylinder PHEV setup that exceeds the power of any non-hybrid four cylinder model BMW offers. When you look at Volvo's top of the line T8 I4 hybrid setup, it shows what can be achieved. Indeed, BMW has also just announced (but followers of this thread knew was coming for years now) the B48A20T1 with 300hp, which could have been used instead in the 45e, matching its output with two less cylinders. Presumably this was determined to be more costly and/or not as efficient. But it is nevertheless unfortunate from my perspective to see BMW apparently backing away from augmenting their four cylinder and six cylinder engines with electric motors to the effect of producing more power than those engines could on their own.

[SCOTT26]

Originally Posted by choupaps

Thanks Scott.

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/n...ng-128362.html

Here are spyshots of it, perhaps that it is an EU specific model ?

Like the Second generations before it. The MINI JCW GP will be a limited model available in many global markets.
This is not the finished car however visually. Again no rear seat. So if you want a practical MINI buy a Cooper S or JCW.

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

....it is nevertheless unfortunate from my perspective to see BMW apparently backing away from augmenting their four cylinder and six cylinder engines with electric motors to the effect of producing more power than those engines could on their own.

This is a very interesting observation.

[brad850csi]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

So it turns out the 45e is an I6 rather than an I4 as was used in the outgoing 40e:

https://g05.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1532990

This surprises me because I had expected more power from BMW's second generation I6 hybrid setup when it finally hit the market, such as perhaps a "50e" with 450hp or even more. Per the X5 45e press release, the TwinPower I6 used in this application is the least powerful BMW has ever released for regular production - nearly 100hp shy (on its own) of the new B58B30O1 coming soon to the G20 M340i and G29 Z4 M40i.

Furthermore, it's a shame that the 40e will be left with no immediate replacement in terms of a high output four cylinder PHEV setup that exceeds the power of any non-hybrid four cylinder model BMW offers. When you look at Volvo's top of the line T8 I4 hybrid setup, it shows what can be achieved. Indeed, BMW has also just announced (but followers of this thread knew was coming for years now) the B48A20T1 with 300hp, which could have been used instead in the 45e, matching its output with two less cylinders. Presumably this was determined to be more costly and/or not as efficient. But it is nevertheless unfortunate from my perspective to see BMW apparently backing away from augmenting their four cylinder and six cylinder engines with electric motors to the effect of producing more power than those engines could on their own.

I was actually thinking that the 45e was going to be a higher tuned 4 cylinder but I'm happy that it is a 6 cylinder.

However I completely agree with there being a 4 cylinder and a 6 cylinder option, perhaps 35e or 40e and 45e or 50e for the two different engines would have been quite good.

The difference in fuel use between the 210kw version and the 265kw B58 must be minimum with the added hybrid system.

Equally the difference between the 135kw and the 190kw B48 or even the new 225kw in the X2 M35i must again be minimal. I also wonder if the 190kw B48 engine would have been faster overall and used less fuel than the 210kw B58 version in the new 45e. I've love to hear some further analysis around this.

[ted99]

Do you have any information on the battery capacity of the new X5 45e? This will determine the amount of the USA Federal tax credit and it could be large enough to garner the full $7500. BMW says the introduction of the 45e is delayed in the US to ensure full SULEV certification in California. Is this the same reason the upgraded battery PHEV 5-series is delayed to 2019? The previous model 40e had more or less the same battery size in both X5 and 5-series. Hope this will be the case for 45e.

[prostar]

Any Information for iDrive 7 in G30 MY2019 because the instrument Cluster now without Chromerings?

[mbanck]

Now that the G24 is cancelled and the F34/F36 EOP has been bumped to 06/21, any word of a B57-series 330d/430d in europe for those? AFAIK, all new cars need to be Euro 6d-temp certified by mid-2019 and the current N57 engine is not (and likely will not). The F34 got an off-LCI cycle motor update (B47) already in mid-2015, so maybe they will do it again? Or will they just retire the straight 6 diesels early?

[TN_3]

Some rumblings over in the X3 forums that production of the X3M/X4M will begin in March 2019. And that a Comp Package will be available at launch. Any update on this SCOTT26 ?

[fotino]

When it is mentioned above that the dash in X3 G01 will change on MY2020 when is that? Sometime in 2018 or 2019? And do we have any info on when the PHEV X3 will be launched?

[JorgenM]

On the X3 topic, can anyone confirm whether or not the iX3 will come as 2wd or 4wd?

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by mbanck

Now that the G24 is cancelled and the F34/F36 EOP has been bumped to 06/21, any word of a B57-series 330d/430d in europe for those? AFAIK, all new cars need to be Euro 6d-temp certified by mid-2019 and the current N57 engine is not (and likely will not). The F34 got an off-LCI cycle motor update (B47) already in mid-2015, so maybe they will do it again? Or will they just retire the straight 6 diesels early?

There will be no new models or versions of F3x. If any of the existing ones become non-compliant for any reason, they'll just be canceled with no replacement.

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by fotino

When it is mentioned above that the dash in X3 G01 will change on MY2020 when is that?

Likely Fall 2019.

[BMW5151]

Originally Posted by JorgenM

On the X3 topic, can anyone confirm whether or not the iX3 will come as 2wd or 4wd?

More importantly, will the iX3 arrive at all? I understand the iX3 EV is only built in China, so unless something is resolved in trade talks, it most likely would be subject to a significant tariffs. My guess is that BMW won't import the iX3 as it would be far to expensive for the market.

Side note: Since the new trade agreement has been reached with Mexico, we'll eventually see all (most?) of the G20 3ers coming from Mexico. Perhaps only the M3 will come from Germany in a few years?

[JorgenM]

For US maybe, but I live in Norway and have already reserved an iX3

[mkoesel]

So it looks like the G20 missed out on 48V, at least for the models available so far (330i, and outside the US, 320i and 320d). BMW is starting to fall behind Mercedes and Audi, who launched or will launch multiple 48V models this year.

[Lighthouse]

Originally Posted by ted99

Do you have any information on the battery capacity of the new X5 45e? This will determine the amount of the USA Federal tax credit and it could be large enough to garner the full $7500. BMW says the introduction of the 45e is delayed in the US to ensure full SULEV certification in California. Is this the same reason the upgraded battery PHEV 5-series is delayed to 2019? The previous model 40e had more or less the same battery size in both X5 and 5-series. Hope this will be the case for 45e.

Is there any timing on when BMW will actually start selling the X5 45e in the US?

[cj98]

Originally Posted by cj98

Regarding this update for the G01 X3 hybrid, is this saying that xDrive30e is delayed until a MY2020 with an updated engine -OR- that there is still a MY2019 coming out but that it will be updated in MY2020 with a new engine?

I didn't see any news on the x3 hybrid from the paris show. I do see that the g20 330e is looking like July 2019. Has there been any news on the x3 or would it be looking like July 2019 also?