[Scharbag]

Cause it is Sunday, and I am bored, I will also pose this question:

Do you consider it good or bad when manual transmission have automatic rev matching (blip on downshift) built in?

My view is that is cheating. It is my job as the driver to match revs.

Have a great Sunday!!

[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by Scharbag

Cause it is Sunday, and I am bored, I will also pose this question:

Do you consider it good or bad when manual transmission have automatic rev matching (blip on downshift) built in?

My view is that is cheating. It is my job as the driver to match revs.

Have a great Sunday!!

My Camaro had it, however you had to turn it on each time. It was great for the track. Not sure I would want it if it could not be disabled. If it can then I'm fine with it. Some cars are not very fun to rev match anyways, drove a G37 manual for a week or so. Horribly sloppy feeling shifts, sluggish engine that took forever to get up to revs. Opposite side my Z4M was a blast to shift and rev match.

[RABAUKE]

I'm old school, hell I'm old. I like less electronic interference (assistance), I know it can make the car faster but I'm not racing. I just want to drive the car and enjoy myself, there is something about rowing through the gears, hitting the apex and winding it out coming out of the corner......the sound, the smell the feeling.

[Lups]

Originally Posted by Scharbag

Cause it is Sunday, and I am bored, I will also pose this question:

Do you consider it good or bad when manual transmission have automatic rev matching (blip on downshift) built in?

My view is that is cheating. It is my job as the driver to match revs.

Have a great Sunday!!

I get the boredom, but i don't get hoe you assume the guys here know manuals well enough to know what the fuck you're on about.

So, you like cats or dogs better? That is as question worthy of Bp ot. Ask that and even then the cat people are mostly full of claws and shit.

[Scharbag]

I have faith that there enough gear heads on a car forum to discuss the finer points of standard transmissions.

[Scharbag]

And I have rowed the boat a fair bit. One endurance weekend in our integras racks up ~3400 shifts for each driver. So much fun.

[CTinline-six]

Electronic nannies usually ruin a good manual transmission. So do clutch delay valves, dual mass flywheels, and shifters that feel like jello.

[Lups]

Originally Posted by Scharbag

I have faith that there enough gear heads on a car forum to discuss the finer points of standard transmissions.

I'm having a hate all men night tonight so never mind me. I had a bad, very bad winter driving weekend this weekend which led to a situation where a male was needed for an assistance.

My ovaries took a hit. Now I'm being mean to preserve my fragile ego.

[GuidoK]

Do you consider adjusting the air fuel ratio automatically or adjusting the ignition timing automatically also cheating? Because that had to be done by hand too in the early day's
Same goes for a choke.
Synchronized gearboxes?!? blasphemy I tell you!!

[Lups]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

Do you consider adjusting the air fuel ratio automatically or adjusting the ignition timing automatically also cheating? Because that had to be done by hand too in the early day's
Same goes for a choke.
Synchronized gearboxes?!? blasphemy I tell you!!

Well yeah! Who the fuck wants a car designed by an engineer?!

[Rik84]

People try to make these statements in too broad a manner. I wouldn’t have bought the car if it didn’t have auto rev match - or I would have bought a dct. Daily driving in shitty traffic sucks. Having to dance my feet around the pedals at 7am on the way to a job site without enough coffee in me is a fucking nightmare.

If the car was a dedicated toy, then whatever. But for a normal person, with normal to above average ability, auto rev match is great.

[Scharbag]

Originally Posted by Rik84

People try to make these statements in too broad a manner. I wouldn’t have bought the car if it didn’t have auto rev match - or I would have bought a dct. Daily driving in shitty traffic sucks. Having to dance my feet around the pedals at 7am on the way to a job site without enough coffee in me is a fucking nightmare.

If the car was a dedicated toy, then whatever. But for a normal person, with normal to above average ability, auto rev match is great.

Then why not buy an auto?

[Lups]

Originally Posted by Scharbag

Then why not buy an auto?

He is a Canadian. All people that far north are stubborn freaks.

[Scharbag]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

Do you consider adjusting the air fuel ratio automatically or adjusting the ignition timing automatically also cheating? Because that had to be done by hand too in the early day's
Same goes for a choke.
Synchronized gearboxes?!? blasphemy I tell you!!

Some things humans cannot do. Some advances are are worth while. Like disc brakes and syncros.

I would prefer a throttle cable attached to the throttlebodies. But alas, progress.

On that note, I bet a carbureted S65 would sound pretty horny.

[Scharbag]

Originally Posted by Lups

He is a Canadian. All people that far north are stubborn freaks.

And I am a stubborn version of the stubborn freaks.

[Scharbag]

Originally Posted by Lups

Well yeah! Who the fuck wants a car designed by an engineer?!

You are having a day.

[lakefront]

Like the idea of it being an option. For the most part, if you have a MANUAL transmission, you wan to be able to control it MANUALLY. And no thanks to Lups for her usual brain dead reply. Either drive the car or let it drive you....

[Red Bread]

No interest here. I do wish modern engines didn't have such a tendency to hang on to revs though. S54's and rotaries always dropped revs seemingly as fast as they added them, modern engines seem to hang onto them with a certain love.

[Chihuahua]

Originally Posted by lakefront

Like the idea of it being an option. For the most part, if you have a MANUAL transmission, you wan to be able to control it MANUALLY.

Agree, and I think I would almost always have it off. If manufacturers insist on installing it, let the default be OFF.

And no thanks to Lups for her usual brain dead reply.

FYI, Lups is a troll. Do yourself a favor and put him/her on ignore.

[RABAUKE]

Originally Posted by Scharbag

You are having a day.

Don't dis the Engineers, I've always wanted to drive a train.

[No Boost]

Originally Posted by Lups

I get the boredom, but i don't get hoe you assume the guys here know manuals well enough to know what the fuck you're on about.

So, you like cats or dogs better? That is as question worthy of Bp ot. Ask that and even then the cat people are mostly full of claws and shit.

Good PSA showing the combined effects of alcohol and opioids.

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by Scharbag

Some things humans cannot do.

Everything I said a human can do because they had to be done on early cars and they drove fine. A handfull yes, but drove fine nontheless.

Revmatching is an aid the same way as an automatic choke or a synchronized gearbox is.

Why would you prefer a throttle cable? That is not something you can feel per say nor gives it more or less to operate while driving. The weight of the pedal or linearity of the throttle is not related to a cable or wire but the design of the total system.
And on that note a carbureted system would sound exactly the same. I dont think you hear the noise from the injectors over the engine noise so whether its injected by an electrical system or the bernoulli effect doesnt make any difference. If a carburetor sounds different its because it is fitted with a different intake manifold or air filter. Fit that to an injected car and it sounds the same. You'll probably end up with <300hp on your M3 though. Thats probably why it has been a very very long time ago that bmw fitted a carburetor (and certainly on an M car bmw never fitted a carburetor, it was usually on the cheaper, lower specced cars, some 30-40 years ago....)
What normal people (non engineers) associate with sound coming from a carburetor is usually an open carburetor they've heard. But its the valves you hear, not the carburetor, as that is a silent part.