[ynguldyn]

Has anyone noticed how adult their Model Y design looks? No falcon door BS, no sky-high aspirations - just a Model 3 with a taller body, hatchback, and a pair of kiddy seats. You can say what you want, but those guys are definitely learning that making money in boring ways is better than the high drama of the previous years.

[vladmury]

Model Y is ugly to be honest looks like a bloated Model 3

[openwheelracing]

Model Y took the route of the X4 and GLC Coupe. I wonder if that will scare buyers away. Considering most SUV buyers still prefer X3 and GLC.

interesting only matte black exterior trim. I guess that matches well with the suv black cladding but I personally like the matte chrome trim on Model3.

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by openwheelracing

interesting only matte black exterior trim. I guess that matches well with the suv black cladding but I personally like the matte chrome trim on Model3.

You have no idea how many Model 3 owners get hard just thinking about the possibility of OEM black trim.

[530iDriver]

So is Musk getting the circus tents ready to start building the Model Y?

[swedesc]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

Has anyone noticed how adult their Model Y design looks? No falcon door BS, no sky-high aspirations - just a Model 3 with a taller body, hatchback, and a pair of kiddy seats. You can say what you want, but those guys are definitely learning that making money in boring ways is better than the high drama of the previous years.

I much prefer the design of Model X versus Y..

[ynguldyn]

Seems I need to clarify this: design != looks.

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by 530iDriver

So is Musk getting the circus tents ready to start building the Model Y?

Ah, you're so funny like always. Ha ha.

No, Y will be built in Giga 1 and Giga 3. Just happening to be some of largest production facilities in the world.

[uniqueMR]

Its all right. Just bigger brother of Model 3. Looks so similar
TESLA will be having tough competition once German (VW, Audi, Porsche, Merc) joins the electric mania

[PKL]

I like it a lot, I like the model 3 a lot too. maybe someday for me but not any time soon

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by uniqueMR

Its all right. Just bigger brother of Model 3. Looks so similar
TESLA will be having tough competition once German (VW, Audi, Porsche, Merc) joins the electric mania

vw invested 50 billion into electric cars... when u have 25-30k electric golfs roaming around; tesla will be screwed

[uniqueMR]

Originally Posted by ASAP

vw invested 50 billion into electric cars... when u have 25-30k electric golfs roaming around; tesla will be screwed

Yup. Plus I feel German manufacturers will be way advance and ahead of Tesla in all aspects.

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by uniqueMR

Yup. Plus I feel German manufacturers will be way advance and ahead of Tesla in all aspects.

Look at the specs of the EVs the Germans have presented by now. All those cars have 20-30% lower efficiency per mile compared to similarly sized Teslas. This means they need bigger batteries, adding thousands in costs per vehicle, and they have to spend more time charging on long drives. So, at least at this moment, the facts suggest that Tesla is significantly ahead of everyone else in EV tech. Whether the billions in future R&D spending will help VW and everyone else catch up to Tesla still remains to be seen.

[WestRace]

It's better than a bunch of garden variety CUV's out there.

[henrylee]

Oh sneaky sneaky Tesla!

[WestRace]

I am surprised they don't "invert" the "3" which will become an "e". They wanted an "e" but it was patented lols.

[initialM]

I've been a long time BMW owner, and I am happy with their cars, but I look at Tesla from a different perspective. The Model Y may just be a bloated version of Model 3, but putting aside their lack of creativity with that design, Tesla's innovation is what made it a pioneer for electric vehicles.

The Germans are still the pioneer in automobiles and perhaps will still be the leaders in the next decade, but for EVs they're the fledgling ones behind Tesla, and I'm sure they're very much interested in Tesla's blueprint in their effort to be ahead one day.

[vladmury]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

Look at the specs of the EVs the Germans have presented by now. All those cars have 20-30% lower efficiency per mile compared to similarly sized Teslas. This means they need bigger batteries, adding thousands in costs per vehicle, and they have to spend more time charging on long drives. So, at least at this moment, the facts suggest that Tesla is significantly ahead of everyone else in EV tech. Whether the billions in future R&D spending will help VW and everyone else catch up to Tesla still remains to be seen.

Without a doubt Tesla has a great drivetrain, their vehicles drive like on rails. Tech is also nice.

They are lacking in the fit&finish and attention to details. Like for example cabin insulation, body gaps, paint imperfections.

I know many say Tesla car drives so well that you can accept other flaws. I am not willing to accept that for a car at $75.000. Maybe I am too picky but I expect more at that price than a fast acceleration.

[allinon72]

Originally Posted by vladmury

Without a doubt Tesla has a great drivetrain, their vehicles drive like on rails. Tech is also nice.

They are lacking in the fit&finish and attention to details. Like for example cabin insulation, body gaps, paint imperfections.

I know many say Tesla car drives so well that you can accept other flaws. I am not willing to accept that for a car at $75.000. Maybe I am too picky but I expect more at that price than a fast acceleration.

Tesla relies on media hype and other marketing to fill in the gaps. The Apple model, in a way, where it's "cool" to drive a Tesla and the performance and design is really good. Musk has to find a way to bridge the gap until manufacturing, both capacity and quality, catches up to an acceptable standard.

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by vladmury

They are lacking in the fit&finish and attention to details. Like for example cabin insulation, body gaps, paint imperfections.

This is something that can be improved with time and effort. You don't even need to spend a ton of money on this, a lot is solved simply with experience. On the other hand, figuring out how to build electric motors with the same characteristics Tesla has achieved, is not trivial at all. (See some of Munro's interview for details.)

I know many say Tesla car drives so well that you can accept other flaws. I am not willing to accept that for a car at $75.000. Maybe I am too picky but I expect more at that price than a fast acceleration.

I don't understand how the $75K price level is relevant to Tesla cars in 2019. The average sales price across their fleet is way lower (spitballing - probably $55K or so), and it keeps going down, fast.

[Germanauto]

Ugly ass car that'll be purchased by your typical Tesla techie nerds.

[Mingwan]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

Ugly ass car that'll be purchased by your typical Tesla techie nerds.

Wait till the Tesla Roadster 2020 0-60 in 1.9 seconds lol oil.