[msk340i]

PlanetF1 is a shit source we all know that. But, this Michelle Foster writing a looooong article that only points out Vettel's flaws is shameful. She also manager to rally a herd of Vettel haters in the comments. I've always thought PlanetF1 is shit bit this is just a different level.

Here's a link:
https://www.planetf1.com/features/f1...astian-vettel/

[Bartledoo]

They should do articles on Prost, Senna, and Schumacher too. Vettel has yet to clearly crash someone out of a race on purpose. Just a little bumper cars. So they must be worse lol?

[yco]

"honestly" like Seb likes to tell.. they re all true..
and there is a catch from history here.. he couldnt deal with Webber properly in the past and i never believed Webber was a fast guy even from the times he was in Jaguar.. its really not a surprise that Seb is struggling to deal with Leclerc recently.. cause Leclerc is a top-notch driver..

i remember how they tangle in Istanbul Park many years ago in front of me..
does this crash looks familiar with Leclerc's?

[Bartledoo]

Couldn't deal with Webber properly? The stats, and watching all of the seasons they raced together, do not paint that picture. You can argue that Webber was heavier, or given an inferior car, or whatever you want. It always seems like you're extremely biased in your analysis of Vettel.

[yco]

Originally Posted by Bartledoo

Couldn't deal with Webber properly? The stats, and watching all of the seasons they raced together, do not paint that picture. You can argue that Webber was heavier, or given an inferior car, or whatever you want. It always seems like you're extremely biased in your analysis of Vettel.

its probably the reason that, when i look at the real best drivers throughout the history.. they crush their team mates.. the best ones.. yes Webber lost titles to Vettel but as i ve said i never believed in Webber in that way, he was in best car was only achieving 3rd in the end of the season.. actually more than once.. especially in qualies, best drivers put together a lap that teammates think "how the heck he did that".. i dont think Vettel managed that even if we assume he did, as i ve said Webber never was a champion.. and im telling this not because he didnt win a tittle, he just wasnt..

and i may sound kind of sharp towards Vettel but even with Leclerc, talks on the grid like Vettel is not used to drive tail happy cars etc.. it doesnt make sense.. he is a 4 times world champion for Gods sake.. adapting is one of the must thing that best drivers have.. Vettel adapted to blown exhausts etc. but his teammates as well...

[msk340i]

Originally Posted by yco

its probably the reason that, when i look at the real best drivers throughout the history.. they crush their team mates.. the best ones.. yes Webber lost titles to Vettel but as i ve said i never believed in Webber in that way, he was in best car was only achieving 3rd in the end of the season.. actually more than once.. especially in qualies, best drivers put together a lap that teammates think "how the heck he did that".. i dont think Vettel managed that even if we assume he did, as i ve said Webber never was a champion.. and im telling this not because he didnt win a tittle, he just wasnt..

and i may sound kind of sharp towards Vettel but even with Leclerc, talks on the grid like Vettel is not used to drive tail happy cars etc.. it doesnt make sense.. he is a 4 times world champion for Gods sake.. adapting is one of the must thing that best drivers have.. Vettel adapted to blown exhausts etc. but his teammates as well...

So Fisichella was a fast driver (to Alonso)? And Barrichello was a fast driver (to SCH)? They were okay drivers but if SCH and ALO weren't there they wouldn't have been champions. I don't understand the yard stick you're using but hey... Shit away on Vettel 😊

[yco]

Originally Posted by msk340i

So Fisichella was a fast driver (to Alonso)? And Barrichello was a fast driver (to SCH)? They were okay drivers but if SCH and ALO weren't there they wouldn't have been champions. I don't understand the yard stick you're using but hey... Shit away on Vettel 😊

hehe i couldnt understand how did you connect to Fisi or Bar but the best, lets agree to disagree mate..

[msk340i]

Originally Posted by yco

hehe i couldnt understand how did you connect to Fisi or Bar but the best, lets agree to disagree mate..

I think social distancing is getting the best of us. All I'm saying is champions beat their team mates and 18 other drivers and Vettel did it for four years. Leclerc is fast but he didn't really destroy Vettel.

[wdb]

Armchair racing: better than nothing.

[msk340i]

Originally Posted by wdb

Armchair racing: better than nothing.

If only we had 10% their talent

[///M Power-Belgium]

"Bad news for Sebastian"

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

"Bad news for Sebastian"

In all honesty Seb must come to terms with the situation at hand. I think he's made a mistake by not accepting the lower pay (whatever that may be) with the amount he has already amassed since '15 and before. Sometimes you have to bite the bullet and look at things realistically.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5theonlyone

In all honesty Seb must come to terms with the situation at hand. I think he's made a mistake by not accepting the lower pay (whatever that may be) with the amount he has already amassed since '15 and before. Sometimes you have to bite the bullet and look at things realistically.

Yeah . You can see it like in a company . Outstanding performance will result in a good evaluation .
Good evaluations , usualy means more money .
Love Sebastian . But last season was like he shot a bullet through the church ...
In other words : His name was equal for negative news . But in the pictures he was for sure !

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Yeah . You can see it like in a company . Outstanding performance will result in a good evaluation .
Good evaluations , usualy means more money .
Love Sebastian . But last season was like he shot a bullet through the church ...
In other words : His name was equal for negative news . But in the pictures he was for sure !

It's like on the money markets my friend, if you can't make a pound then you're no longer an asset to the firm.

[yco]

i believe Ferrari ll build a team around Leclerc.. but way or another Ricciardo and Sainz wont be a team player that much i believe.. but Gio will..

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5theonlyone

It's like on the money markets my friend, if you can't make a pound then you're no longer an asset to the firm.

Yes my friend . "If" there's a new '20 season to come with that damn killer virus ...
Then...Sebastian has to prove himself even more . Knowing that his team mate Charles is really good .
And as we know in F1, means showing improvements in performance always more risks to take ...
And risks and SEB is a bad combination !

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Yes my friend . "If" there's a new '20 season to come with that damn killer virus ...
Then...Sebastian has to prove himself even more . Knowing that his team mate Charles is really good .
And as we know in F1, means showing improvements in performance always more risks to take ...
And risks and SEB is a bad combination !

Absolutely agree, bad risk and usually ends up a cropper with move backfiring onto him but as someone said above he has a kind heart and doesn't ''mean'' to blatantly force a competitor off the track with ruthless bad manoeuvre like Schumi then or Senna did to Prost and vice versa.

[yco]

Originally Posted by M5theonlyone

Absolutely agree, bad risk and usually ends up a cropper with move backfiring onto him but as someone said above he has a kind heart and doesn't ''mean'' to blatantly force a competitor off the track with ruthless bad manoeuvre like Schumi then or Senna did to Prost and vice versa.

actually Vettel is doing "ruthless bad manoeuvres" even behind safety car..

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5theonlyone

Absolutely agree, bad risk and usually ends up a cropper with move backfiring onto him but as someone said above he has a kind heart and doesn't ''mean'' to blatantly force a competitor off the track with ruthless bad manoeuvre like Schumi then or Senna did to Prost and vice versa.

I couldn't agree more .
Like I said . Love SEB . He's such a good guy .
That incident with MAX . He said to MAX I dindn't intentionally . I'm really sorry mate .
That's how SEB is...

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by yco

actually Vettel is doing "ruthless bad manoeuvres" even behind safety car..

I read your mind haha knew you were going to put that on but again Hammy wasn't put in the wall or had any damage..just a harmless bump and he could continue. Seb saw that as a deliberate brake test.

[yco]

Originally Posted by M5theonlyone

I read your mind haha knew you were going to put that on but again Hammy wasn't put in the wall or had any damage..just a harmless bump and he could continue. Seb saw that as a deliberate brake test.

this bump and hit afterwards is an unacceptable act doesnt matter from where you look at it.. cause even the racing is off in those moments.. and for trying to put in the wall part, actually he did try to put Hamilton into the wall less than a year ago in Canada.. i ve added some videos and pics back in that time as you may recall my friend..

[msk340i]

Originally Posted by yco

i believe Ferrari ll build a team around Leclerc.. but way or another Ricciardo and Sainz wont be a team player that much i believe.. but Gio will..

Yeah I don't see them happy with #2 seat. GIO is a Ferrari boy and he's loyal to the team and will be better behaved.