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First great news Ive heard from BMW in a long time
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Good. There is plenty demand for ICE/hybrid vehicles, I'd argue more realistically than there is for pure EVs.
I'd imagine ICE will be available in SUVs for a long time. My folks have owned several X5s over the years and it's always been a wonderful road trip vehicle. Having to spend only 5 minutes filling up is crucial. No worrying about if the spot you parked in has a special plug, no range limitations in cold weather, no range limitations if you drive like an asshole, etc. And of course, being a more enthusiast-oriented brand (unlike mind-numbingly boring Audi), BMW likely has enough customers interested in ICE for a number of reasons for vehicles like the M2 and M3.
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BMW Has No Plans to Stop Developing Internal Combustion Engines
BMW CEO says they aren't done with internal combustion engines https://www.autoblog.com/2021/03/18/...stion-engines/ Most of the auto industry is undergoing a massive shift away from fossil fuels, but BMW CEO Oliver Zipse says his company "has no plans to stop developing internal combustion engines." This statement comes only a day after rival Audi's boss Marcus Duesman declared that they've already stopped developing ICEs. Duesman made the statement in an interview with Germany's Automobilwoche, citing upcoming Euro 7 emission standards that he called (translated from German) "a huge technical challenge." Instead, Audi will adapt its current ICEs to meet those standards. Interestingly, he also claimed the Euro 7 standards "have little benefit for the environment." Meanwhile, BMW made a sweeping announcement yesterday about new electric models and the fact that BMW-owned Mini would be electric-only by 2030, debuting its last ICE model in 2025. Still, head honcho Zipse told CNBC's Phil LeBeau it wasn't finished with internal combustion "because demand for ICE vehicles will remain robust for many years to come." With that said, BMW does expect half of its car sales to be electric by 2030.
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Lets hope that stays true long long into the future. However it seems the electric wave is here to stay and with gas prices most likely rising more and more, plus emissions/regulations are getting tighter and tighter, companies will have to get inline to stay relevant IMO. Now how far in the future is this, thats TBD
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The upcoming Mercedes W206 C-Class is already being panned for its 4-cyl only lineup including C63 with many saying they're not buying it. So then BMW is following suit and prolonging this out to 2030 & beyond? Dragging out old technology... sounds a bit Lexus to me. |
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Plug-in hybrids will be around as long as necessary. While there are many cases where a BEV can be used in place of an ICE vehicle today, and even more will exist by 2030 as the technology advances, there will still be scenarios for which the range and refueling characteristics of the latter are better suited.
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This is pretty crazy to think that as a 21 year old, my childhood began with the beginning of the end of NA motors, my teens revolved around the downsize of ICE engines due to the popularization of turbochargers, and by my 30's the electric motor will be the new norm...
As people become lazier and lazier due to the aid of tech, companies adapt to that. It almost seems they are forcing that down our throats—technology to disable our own actions. Tesla no longer will have a start/stop button, nor a gear shifter. The car will assume all those things for you. We no longer have to go to a coffee shop to get a cup of coffee, or a grocery store to get our groceries. We have apps to deliver those things for us. Day to day life has been progressively more disconnected and I don't see that trend ending. It's a shame to think the movie wall-e might actually vaguely be where we are heading. My question for you all is, do you think that by 2035/2040, when nearly every car on the road is electric—will memorable petrol cars rise or fall in value? Will the M2cs or E92 M3 fall due to the costs of owning a petrol vehicle at that time, or will it appreciate beyond means due to it being memorabilia for certain generations? Will the cost of gasoline rise as fossil fuel companies try to squeeze out every last opportunity of income from the minority who refuse to convert to electrics, or will the fall in demand for gasoline cause prices to fall? Thanks
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Just as M's would never get turbocharged...
It's just a combination of the politics/times we're living in, and a cost vs demand thing. Brace yourselves, electrification is coming, also for M, sooner or later. |
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- How to pay for the roads, bridges and tunnels. Per liter / per gallon gasoline tax will no longer make sense - Should car insurance be calculated by pay-per-mile formula? If so - every car will be connected to the grid at all times. Privacy, security issues to be addressed - Who is actually driving the car? The insurance companies will ask car manufacturers to have a camera installed in the dashboard take your picture once behind the wheel. Face ID for cars? It's coming ... - Intentional subsidies: electric cars pay no extra fees to enter downtowns, ICE powered vehicle pay extra fees and more? Some of these subsidies are already being implemented on a smaller scale Technology is always ahead of the governments' ability to implement meaningful changes. So the next decade at the very least will see changes, series of poor decisions, followed by better decisions. It's safe to say that it's time to leave the front fascia disappointments behind because there are more pressing matters ahead for all of us. |
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Assume this horror could become true: 1/taxation regulations and additional CO² taxes will probably render ICE cars extremely costly to operate, 2/usage limitations by banning if from cities and potentially larger areas or even states, entire countries in Europe are proud to announce early how drastically they they will prohibit ICEs, 3/sentimental value: new generations don't have any sentimental feeling towards ICE, it's a matter of time that even a magnificent M2 CS will be seen as an artefact of dinosaur tech, 4/when there is a fast shift towards EV, will you still be able to find spare parts for your ICE since they have become so rare? When you do: you'll pay like they were made from pure gold. Although only time will tell, most of these aspects are not entirely fictitious I'am afraid. |
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Prior to that there will be, at the very least, the i4 M50, iX M60, i7 M60, i5 M50, and others in the "performance" M lineup. Nevertheless, we also know that the hybridized-S68 V8 is coming, and it will feature in the XM at a minimum. Furthermore, it is likely to feature in a next generation M5 and other next generation M vehicles such as an M8 Gran Coupe, X5 M, and X6 M. We also know that the S58 will be upgraded to MHEV in the G8x M2/M3/M4 and F9x X3M/X4M, while future versions of those vehicles could get a PHEV version or perhaps switch to a four cylinder PHEV setup. |
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Sounds like BMW is doubling down on shared platforms with the Neue Klasse while other companies and their closest competitors are all going the route of dedicated platforms for EV's. Of course the largest reason for this is cost savings, but I wonder if this will hurt the products. Typically shared platforms present larger compromises for EV's. It will be interesting to see what the future holds.
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