[tilua]

Currently I have an XTi and looking to upgrade the camera and currently looking at the T3i or 60D. Both has wireless ETTL and Video, which are the main features I'm looking to upgrade.

I like the feel and the selection wheel on the back of the 60D but other than that, there's no difference between the T3i and 60D. Is there anythign else I'm missing here beside the added premium on the 60D?

Thanks,

[M_Six]

The 60D is a much more substantial camera body. Go to a store and see for yourself. The body is larger and heavier, which may or may not be a good thing depending on the user.

[tilua]

Originally Posted by M_Six

The 60D is a much more substantial camera body. Go to a store and see for yourself. The body is larger and heavier, which may or may not be a good thing depending on the user.

Sweet, that's exactly what I'm looking for. Thanks!!

[SS e93]

Originally Posted by Railgun

http://www.dpreview.com/products/com...=canon_eos600d

In short, 60D is faster, sealed, heavier and about $400 more.

I thought the 60D isnt sealed. At least not as much compared to 50d/7d.

[Ryebread]

Save another month and get a 7d

[The1]

biggest feature to me, thumb dial for in Manual mode. If you shoot in M, you'll appreciate that part a lot.

the 60D is supposed to have a slightly faster auto focus then the T2i and less, but i'm not sure which AF ended up in the T3i I think it's the slower one however.

if you're out and about a lot, the 60D is supposed to be more rugged.

the 60D shoots a higher frames per second.

if you use a tripod lots, the 60D also has a horizontal level built in, which is nice to get things flat.

[vachss]

How does it fit in your hands? I shot a T2i for a while and if you have "man hands" a larger camera body than that may be more comfortable to use.

[HPFREAK]

I would say if I had it to do over again I would of just gone with a 5Dmk2. They are poping up used all over the place now. People are jumping to the 7D because they want faster AF. The 5D is better at ISO performance and image quality being a full frame. I would like to seel my T2i and grab a 5D at some point. The 60D is nice but you may as well go for the 7D. I pinched pennies like a moron. Now I just got a 70-200 F4L IS and the T2i or the T3i being that they are the same really, feels off balance and way nose heavy. The body is just too small for large lenses. I know a batery grip can help though.

[EngineCo52]

i like the way the 60D feels in my hands...i have been back and forth between these 2 cameras about buying one, and my mother surprised me the other day and said whatever i do dont buy the camera...so im getting it for christmas Canon 60D

[The1]

Originally Posted by EngineCo52

i like the way the 60D feels in my hands...i have been back and forth between these 2 cameras about buying one, and my mother surprised me the other day and said whatever i do dont buy the camera...so im getting it for christmas Canon 60D

you'll be pleased with it.

I know a lot of people say hold out for the 7D, but the 60D is 90-95% of the 7D

the things it lack are really nothing to worry about.

The autofocus is still way faster in it then all the other cameras with the exception of the 1D class and the 7D, but still puts all the others to shame.

I think a lot of people pass over it thinking it is very similar to a T3i, and yes they are right in some respects, but at the same time, it has a lot more to offer then a lot of people realize.

I would recommend it before many others, and I have.

[The1]

Originally Posted by HPFREAK

I would say if I had it to do over again I would of just gone with a 5Dmk2. They are poping up used all over the place now. People are jumping to the 7D because they want faster AF. The 5D is better at ISO performance and image quality being a full frame. I would like to seel my T2i and grab a 5D at some point. The 60D is nice but you may as well go for the 7D. I pinched pennies like a moron. Now I just got a 70-200 F4L IS and the T2i or the T3i being that they are the same really, feels off balance and way nose heavy. The body is just too small for large lenses. I know a batery grip can help though.

a battery grip will make a world of difference to balance out a big lens.

and once you start getting bigger lenses then the 70-200 F4, you'll find even the bigger camera bodies start to lose balance a bit. It's just the nature of the game.

I bought my 100-400mm L series while i still owned my T1i, and it was a rediculous combination to try and find a balance on. The T2i is much more robust A battery grip was basically essential at that point. The one that really made it show the size however, was my 24-70 L put on the front. On a big camera, it looks like a normal lens. On a small camera, it looks like a freak. The big lenses just do that on any camera body where the "normal" sized L series lenses tend to make the small camera bodys stand out like a sore thumb and add comedic effect.

the nice thing however, a nice piece of glass will make the best of any camera body, no matter how silly it looks, it just may be awkward to balance in your hands. And maybe cause carpel tunnel (kidding.... i hope...)

[HPFREAK]

Ya I am sure the grip will help but I am also hesitant to spend money on this body since I plan to move to the Full Frame at some point. I am waiting to see the official release date of the 5D mkIII. If it is not significantly better than the mk2 then I will get the mk2 used since people will be dumping them and they will get cheap at that point. I think by march they will announce after they release the 1Dx. They do not want to take sales or hype away from the 1Dx.

Canon needs to do something to keep up with Nikon since the D700 is better at low light and high ISO performance than the 5D2 and it has faster AF all around. They announced the D800 and that is going to be even better as a replacement to the D700. If canon does not up their game in the entry level Full Frame bodies they will loose market share like crazy. I will be one to jump ship to the D800. Canon did mention that the newer 5D will have a better AF system and ISO performance but they did not specify any performance figures other than say the 5D3 will have a similar AF system to the 7D but not as good...what?lol Why would they say this? Seems odd to so that, but maybe they will change that before release. I heard that Ron Howard was given a 5D3 and a 1Dx already and he is not saying much about them other than the 1Dx is amazing. It better be for 7k!

Originally Posted by The1

a battery grip will make a world of difference to balance out a big lens.

and once you start getting bigger lenses then the 70-200 F4, you'll find even the bigger camera bodies start to lose balance a bit. It's just the nature of the game.

I bought my 100-400mm L series while i still owned my T1i, and it was a rediculous combination to try and find a balance on. The T2i is much more robust A battery grip was basically essential at that point. The one that really made it show the size however, was my 24-70 L put on the front. On a big camera, it looks like a normal lens. On a small camera, it looks like a freak. The big lenses just do that on any camera body where the "normal" sized L series lenses tend to make the small camera bodys stand out like a sore thumb and add comedic effect.

the nice thing however, a nice piece of glass will make the best of any camera body, no matter how silly it looks, it just may be awkward to balance in your hands. And maybe cause carpel tunnel (kidding.... i hope...)

[EngineCo52]

Originally Posted by The1

you'll be pleased with it.

I know a lot of people say hold out for the 7D, but the 60D is 90-95% of the 7D

the things it lack are really nothing to worry about.

The autofocus is still way faster in it then all the other cameras with the exception of the 1D class and the 7D, but still puts all the others to shame.

I think a lot of people pass over it thinking it is very similar to a T3i, and yes they are right in some respects, but at the same time, it has a lot more to offer then a lot of people realize.

I would recommend it before many others, and I have.

awesome man thanks!! i cant wait to get out there and start shooting

[The1]

Originally Posted by EngineCo52

awesome man thanks!! i cant wait to get out there and start shooting

can't wait to see pictures

[EngineCo52]

Originally Posted by The1

can't wait to see pictures

thanks...i need to learn how to edit them so until that they will just be how i shot them lol

[The1]

Originally Posted by EngineCo52

thanks...i need to learn how to edit them so until that they will just be how i shot them lol

now worries, the more you shoot, the more you'll learn, and one day when you get a picture you love, but something isn't right, you'll start learing how to edit, and then a whole new world will open up.

My advice though, Shoot RAW and JPEG, that way you can look back in several months when you're getting into editing and think. "what happened to those old pictures!"

Raw is so much easier to edit.

[EngineCo52]

Originally Posted by The1

now worries, the more you shoot, the more you'll learn, and one day when you get a picture you love, but something isn't right, you'll start learing how to edit, and then a whole new world will open up.

My advice though, Shoot RAW and JPEG, that way you can look back in several months when you're getting into editing and think. "what happened to those old pictures!"

Raw is so much easier to edit.

sounds like a plan to me, what type of editing software should i use/purchase/download??

[The1]

Originally Posted by EngineCo52

sounds like a plan to me, what type of editing software should i use/purchase/download??

DxO got me started off. but it lacks a few simple things I was looking for and found in Lightroom. Photoshop is also handly, but it takes a long time to learn because it's so complex.

DxO is probably one of the easier, yet powerfull ones. There's lots of cheap ones that really don't do a good job.

Unless you're on a Mac, then someone else might have a better answer for you since i'm a PC guy.

but of the 3, DxO will likely be the easiest to learn. But Lightroom isn't far off, and has a few more tricks... But DxO jsut came out with a new version, so i haven't seen what new toys it has.

[EngineCo52]

Originally Posted by The1

DxO got me started off. but it lacks a few simple things I was looking for and found in Lightroom. Photoshop is also handly, but it takes a long time to learn because it's so complex.

DxO is probably one of the easier, yet powerfull ones. There's lots of cheap ones that really don't do a good job.

Unless you're on a Mac, then someone else might have a better answer for you since i'm a PC guy.

but of the 3, DxO will likely be the easiest to learn. But Lightroom isn't far off, and has a few more tricks... But DxO jsut came out with a new version, so i haven't seen what new toys it has.

awesome man i appreciate all the help, ill def look into those, i wanna get a Mac, but im still on a PC as well lol

[The1]

Originally Posted by EngineCo52

awesome man i appreciate all the help, ill def look into those, i wanna get a Mac, but im still on a PC as well lol

No worries, we are all here to help, lost of people very happy to critique and give advice in the photo/videography section. Exploit it

[EngineCo52]

Originally Posted by The1

No worries, we are all here to help, lost of people very happy to critique and give advice in the photo/videography section. Exploit it

yeah ive noticed that lol....ive been lurking around here for quite sometime, so i cant wait to start shooting and getting some input

[The1]

Originally Posted by EngineCo52

yeah ive noticed that lol....ive been lurking around here for quite sometime, so i cant wait to start shooting and getting some input

also, a good way to get experience and try new things, get in on the competitions. Even if you're certain you're not going to win, at least you tryed, and will gain valuable knowledge each time you go out and shoot with a purpose.

it will also encourage you to try new things you might not have thought about before.