Scary Aircraft Landings & a 747 "drifting" upon landing

MDyDinanM · 01-24-2012, 03:50 PM

and the 747:

Stronghammer · 01-24-2012, 04:00 PM

Thanks. May have to cancel my upcoming ski trips to Colorado and Montana after watching those two clips.

Q4P · 01-24-2012, 04:09 PM

Nothing scary about number one, that is how all crosswind landings look. You deflect the aileron into the wind to prevent drift and use the rudder to keep going in the right direction and align with the runway, once your low enough you deflect it back and align exactly with the runway. If they didn't do that they would drift away from the runway and/or experience and uncomfortable updraft. Everyone appeared to realize that and did the exact same thing.

Number 2 is old news, that is kai tak airport which has been closed for years now and due to its location winds were very strong often resulting in some funny landings, one China Air 747 ended up in that bay.

JasonCSU · 01-24-2012, 04:35 PM

I was on a flight to Las Vegas once that had noticeable crosswind on the landing, not to the extent of that 747 video though. It was definitely trippy looking out the window, seeing a crooked approach to the runway, then feeling the right side landing gear make contact and straighten the plane in relation to the runway.

The Ghost of Tom Joad · 01-24-2012, 04:40 PM

should have been on my SFO-DFW flight on sunday. that gave me the chills and i'm a licensed pilot. a ton of clear air turbulence the entire flight.

O-cha · 01-24-2012, 05:02 PM

The first landing is completely normal....

SECRET M · 01-25-2012, 02:59 AM

both flights look pretty normal to me.

Chewy734 · 01-25-2012, 08:23 AM

seems pretty normal to me... a big thumbs up to the pilots though, for sticking those landings.

E90SoFlo · 01-25-2012, 10:12 AM

only watched the first video and damn, good flying.. THUMBS UP

WillS · 01-25-2012, 12:41 PM

Kai Tak was awesome to fly in to before they closed it.

vioaltec · 01-25-2012, 01:29 PM

please, all those are child's play......imagine trying to land at this airport in the dark or in bad weather. Cant rely on nothing but your IFR and damn skills.

BrokenVert · 01-25-2012, 01:33 PM

Its caused crabbing. Its how you deal with crosswinds on landing.

We design an undercarriage to deal with these sorts of landings. If you guys have questions about it let me know.

The Ghost of Tom Joad · 01-25-2012, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by vioaltec

please, all those are child's play......imagine trying to land at this airport in the dark or in bad weather. Cant rely on nothing but your IFR and damn skills.

wow! that approach is unbelievable! i doubt the FAA would approve an instrument approach there, if it were governed by them.

i've flown into aspen a few times and that's the toughest approach i've personally flown. not much margin for error there surrounded by mountains.

RADRACR · 01-25-2012, 02:30 PM

Air brakes FTW.

TotalPower · 01-25-2012, 05:48 PM

great crosswind technique

Nutballa · 01-25-2012, 11:21 PM

It's all in the rudder!

DM1 · 01-26-2012, 12:07 AM

That's awesome, I know it might be regular for the pilots but it does look cool, and I absolutely love the stance of the planes, I believe it is the newest 737 that has an amazing front stance, the wingspan is huge!

E90SLAM · 01-26-2012, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by vioaltec

please, all those are child's play......imagine trying to land at this airport in the dark or in bad weather. Cant rely on nothing but your IFR and damn skills.

Paro Airport is restricted to Visual meteorological conditions, and only daylight hours from sunrise to sunset. Equipments are restricted to A320 families I believe and only 8 pilots in the world are certified to operate in and out from this airport.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paro_Airport

Paro is scarier, but nothing compares to the sensation at landing on Kai Tak's 13. The wide bodies on close proximity to downtown Kowloon City, and was one of the busiest single runway operating airport.

(I am biased, I grew up with Kai Tak...

)

TotalPower · 01-26-2012, 11:54 AM

pilots certified to land somewhere? clearly not the us

Nate2046 · 01-26-2012, 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vioaltec

please, all those are child's play......imagine trying to land at this airport in the dark or in bad weather. Cant rely on nothing but your IFR and damn skills.

You wouldn't be landing that in IFR, that has to be a visual only approach.
Never had a chance to fly into Kai Tak but it reminds me of the VOR13L at JFK only with some hills.

1cleanm6 · 01-31-2012, 12:43 PM

I bet its a walk in the park for pilots..

01-24-2012, 03:50 PM	#1
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Q4P Colonel 86 Rep 2,291 Posts Drives: Too Much Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: World iTrader: (0)	Nothing scary about number one, that is how all crosswind landings look. You deflect the aileron into the wind to prevent drift and use the rudder to keep going in the right direction and align with the runway, once your low enough you deflect it back and align exactly with the runway. If they didn't do that they would drift away from the runway and/or experience and uncomfortable updraft. Everyone appeared to realize that and did the exact same thing. Number 2 is old news, that is kai tak airport which has been closed for years now and due to its location winds were very strong often resulting in some funny landings, one China Air 747 ended up in that bay. __________________ 2jZ + RB26 + 4G63 + LS9 + N54 =
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The Ghost of Tom Joad Banned 20 Rep 44 Posts Drives: B744 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Up In The Air iTrader: (0)	should have been on my SFO-DFW flight on sunday. that gave me the chills and i'm a licensed pilot. a ton of clear air turbulence the entire flight.
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Chewy734 Major General 499 Rep 6,798 Posts Drives: 2006 BMW 330i ZPP, ZSP Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: LA, CA iTrader: (15)	seems pretty normal to me... a big thumbs up to the pilots though, for sticking those landings. __________________ Currently for sale: [19" Linea Corse LC818 wheel], [19" Fallen FK452 tire]
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WillS Enlisted Member 1 Rep 39 Posts Drives: 135i Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: AR iTrader: (0)	Kai Tak was awesome to fly in to before they closed it.
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vioaltec Sasha Fierce 53 Rep 231 Posts Drives: 2009 bmw 3 series coupe Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: East Bay iTrader: (0)	please, all those are child's play......imagine trying to land at this airport in the dark or in bad weather. Cant rely on nothing but your IFR and damn skills. __________________ Vivre, Aimer et Voler
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BrokenVert Resident Kerbalnaut 489 Rep 10,703 Posts Drives: Topless Brute/Hybrid Boogaloo Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Fahrvergnügen/NY iTrader: (0)	Its caused crabbing. Its how you deal with crosswinds on landing. We design an undercarriage to deal with these sorts of landings. If you guys have questions about it let me know. __________________
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