Pete Rose bet on Baseball as a player???

CANGRKE70 · 06-23-2015, 10:04 AM

Sayyyyy whaaaatttt?

Come on this is nothing new.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb...orse-for-rose/

I'm sick of this...let the guy in the hall. You're going to let a whole generation of PED users in. Such hypocrisy!

kprocivic · 06-23-2015, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by CANGRKE70

Sayyyyy whaaaatttt?

Come on this is nothing new.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb...orse-for-rose/

I'm sick of this...let the guy in the hall. You're going to let a whole generation of PED users in. Such hypocrisy!

agreed let him in.

F30lolz · 06-23-2015, 11:11 AM

Only if he confesses to EVERYTHING. If not then baseball should ban him 4good.

#Tee · 06-23-2015, 11:14 AM

im sure many players do this in all sports. so easy to get away with. hire your close group of friends to place bets for you. give them a cut and shave points.

Flying Ace · 06-23-2015, 02:14 PM

he's still in denial....

eric@helix · 06-23-2015, 02:18 PM

Let him in the Hall. Nobody will hire him to coach anyway. Imagine if Babe Ruth were under the scrutiny that players are today...

Haywood · 06-23-2015, 03:01 PM

Why would anyone say to let him in the HOF??! He denied he bet on baseball after the Dowd report in '89. Then in 2004, he "kinda" admits he did, but only as a manager. He vehemently denied betting as a player for 26 years. Now, the evidence finally shows that he bet on his own team while playing. He's a piece of shit and did something that can never be condoned. How does anyone know that he tried to do things to alter the games he played in? If I were a former teammate, I would be pissed.

Also, you can't compare what he did as the same as PED's era. It is a form of cheating, but it is the cardinal sin in any sport to bet on your own team. Totally disgraceful. And btw, there will be NO players like McGuire, Bonds, Clemens, A-Rod, etc. that will ever get into the HOF. Doesn't matter how many records they broke, they will never get rewarded. I pray that Rose just goes away now and stops trying to get his lifetime ban rescinded. He has no case.

MrPrena · 06-23-2015, 03:08 PM

Does MLB fans have a say or vote on this? This has been a topic since I was in elementary school.

kprocivic · 06-23-2015, 03:45 PM

As I will continue to say let him in. Let Barry, Sammy, Mark, A rod let them all in. Armstrong, Gay, Jones, let everybody in.

F30lolz · 06-23-2015, 04:12 PM

Armstrong is gay? What?

OneRib · 06-23-2015, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Haywood

Why would anyone say to let him in the HOF??! He denied he bet on baseball after the Dowd report in '89. Then in 2004, he "kinda" admits he did, but only as a manager. He vehemently denied betting as a player for 26 years. Now, the evidence finally shows that he bet on his own team while playing. He's a piece of shit and did something that can never be condoned. How does anyone know that he tried to do things to alter the games he played in? If I were a former teammate, I would be pissed.

Also, you can't compare what he did as the same as PED's era. It is a form of cheating, but it is the cardinal sin in any sport to bet on your own team. Totally disgraceful. And btw, there will be NO players like McGuire, Bonds, Clemens, A-Rod, etc. that will ever get into the HOF. Doesn't matter how many records they broke, they will never get rewarded. I pray that Rose just goes away now and stops trying to get his lifetime ban rescinded. He has no case.

Haywood is correct. Betting undermines the idea of a sport being on the level. As a sport if viewers believe the outcome has been determined, then the sport descends into the gutter. Also baseball had no policy on PEDs until recently, so you could argue that some players weren't even cheating. Bans against betting are posted in every clubhouse and it's a well known taboo and rule. The fact that Rose has lied the whole way is disgraceful. He's an addict in denial who refuses to take any responsibility for his actions. I am dumbfounded how such a piece of crap continues to receive such support to get him in the Hall of Fame.

Now I would let him and any other player in if they put it on the plaques. Just tell the whole story. Pete Rose, most hits in baseball, but banned from baseball for betting on baseball as a player and coach. Barry Bonds, multiple MVP, one of the best left fielders in baseball history, but his stats are inflated after he started taking PEDs.

Don't forget you have to let Shoeless Joe Jackson in also.

MR92 · 06-23-2015, 11:48 PM

Pretty sure he never bet against his team. Unless he was exhausting his bullpen to get better chances of winning a certain game, or sitting players, how did he manipulate the outcome of any games? Besides he was like 9/10 people, a losing bettor. No records that show he banked money from fading his own team, he was a loser. If the cardinal sin in sport is gambling on your own team, what is cheating considered?

OneRib · 06-24-2015, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by MR92

Pretty sure he never bet against his team. Unless he was exhausting his bullpen to get better chances of winning a certain game, or sitting players, how did he manipulate the outcome of any games? Besides he was like 9/10 people, a losing bettor. No records that show he banked money from fading his own team, he was a loser. If the cardinal sin in sport is gambling on your own team, what is cheating considered?

You answered the question in your own post. If he bets on his team, then the way he plays or manages is artificial. Does he change the staring rotation on an off day? Bring in the closer early? Leave a star pitcher out longer. Cancel an off day for a hot hitter? All kinds of unnatural moves could occur because he bet on the game.

sygazelle · 06-24-2015, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Haywood

Why would anyone say to let him in the HOF??! He denied he bet on baseball after the Dowd report in '89. Then in 2004, he "kinda" admits he did, but only as a manager. He vehemently denied betting as a player for 26 years. Now, the evidence finally shows that he bet on his own team while playing. He's a piece of shit and did something that can never be condoned. How does anyone know that he tried to do things to alter the games he played in? If I were a former teammate, I would be pissed.

Also, you can't compare what he did as the same as PED's era. It is a form of cheating, but it is the cardinal sin in any sport to bet on your own team. Totally disgraceful. And btw, there will be NO players like McGuire, Bonds, Clemens, A-Rod, etc. that will ever get into the HOF. Doesn't matter how many records they broke, they will never get rewarded. I pray that Rose just goes away now and stops trying to get his lifetime ban rescinded. He has no case.

+1

The rules are very clear. 21 D states: "
(d) BETTING ON BALL GAMES. Any player, umpire, or club official or
employee, who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in
connection with which the bettor has no duty to perform shall be declared
ineligible for one year.

Any player, umpire, or club or league official or employee, who shall
bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which
the bettor has a duty to perform shall be declared permanently ineligible."

He broke the rule many times as a player and manager. He lied about it many times. It's too bad. He was an amazing player.

sygazelle · 06-24-2015, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Flying Ace

he's still in denial....

+1

It's such a shame that one of the greatest players of all time is leaving such a blemished legacy. His denial magnifies the problem.

He could be such a role model to kids and adults if he just admitted he repeatedly broke rule 21d and then repeatedly lied about it. His message could be to the kids, "Bad choices have bad outcomes. Don't diminish your talent, ability, passion, drive, and hard work by making stupid choices that impact you for the rest of your life."

He still won't get into the HOF, but getting off the denial train and using his story as a teachable moment would help one of the greatest players of all time improve his public image and probably make him a happier person.

David70 · 06-24-2015, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by OneRib

You answered the question in your own post. If he bets on his team, then the way he plays or manages is artificial. Does he change the staring rotation on an off day? Bring in the closer early? Leave a star pitcher out longer. Cancel an off day for a hot hitter? All kinds of unnatural moves could occur because he bet on the game.

Agree completely. If they have 4 games this week, the one he bet on may be far more important than the rest.

I live in Cincinnati and feel like he understood the rules and broke them, then denied it until it made financial sense to come clean, now is sorry he did all of it and wants us to go along with it. If he had made one bet, was caught, confessed immediately, said he was sorry, etc. I would feel sorry for him. Instead the whole thing (betting, denial, etc) went on for year.

I could see putting his accomplishments in the HOF, what he did as a player was great and I don't believe he did anything against the rules to accomplish them, unlike the PED users.

CANGRKE70 · 06-24-2015, 03:24 PM

I think they'll let him in, just not in his lifetime. But then again it could be like Shoeless Joe Jackson. MLB holds grudges

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