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      11-08-2015, 09:35 AM   #45
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I pay 2000 Euro's of driver taxes...every single year for my ///M3 .
First time in traffic taxes (BIV) was 5000 Euro's , but now became => x 2 !
And my car is no diesel !
Because Belgium really s@cks and the government are thieves ....
Wow. That's a lot of Tax Philippe. Sorry to hear that.

God bless America indeed.
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Next time I am caught speeding I will use your line - "The deception wasn't so much planned as it was an ill-conceived attempt to sustain a flawed strategy."

Possibly correct but I am surprised they got at least the 10-20 people that VW is saying were involved (my guess is many more actually new about it) to not say anything about. Leaving the company because they found a new job, upset with the company, being threatened with firing, all would leave at least some in a position to go public with it. Time period from beginning until now is really long.

"Before you complete the paperwork on my firing I would like to remind you of a potential issue with the diesels. My guess is my pay is a drop in the bucket compared to what this will bring on the company".
Good luck with that!

I wasn't suggesting a defense for VW. This emissions cheat was no accident. It was clearly intentional. I was just trying to describe how something like this can happen in an otherwise honest company. I still respect VW. They are no Enron. Of course, if I owned a recent VW diesel I would be very pi$$ed off.

We may never know how many people were involved or how high up the management chain the offense extended. If someone ever comes forward with the inside story it might make for an interesting book or movie (Interesting to me, anyway. I'm an engineer but I'm intrigued by how large organizations tend to fail. The NASA Challenger/O-ring debacle is another example - worse in that lives were lost.).
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Wow. That's a lot of Tax Philippe. Sorry to hear that.

God bless America indeed.
I really appreciate your understanding about my situation and the Belgian tax-thieves .
Thank you for your kind words
And the pic shows my feelings ...
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Indeed my friend ..
If I keep my car 10 years the total sum of driver taxes is => 25,000 Euro's !
But I noticed the yearly taxes are increasing every year , so after 10 years the total sum is probably even more .
So yes , it's really crazy for us... insane !
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That's why I said more than once on here...."God bless America"
Ouch. I pay about $35 USD per year to keep my BMW taxed and registered in the USA.
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Ouch. I pay about $35 USD per year to keep my BMW taxed and registered in the USA.
Ohhh wow that's really cheap ! Is your car a ///M3 ?
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Ohhh wow that's really cheap ! Is your car a ///M3 ?
No, just a plain-old 3 series.

Do your taxes go down as your car ages in Belgium? To be fair, in my state the rate is a lot higher than $35 per year when new. It goes down every year until it hits a base rate of $35.

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Wonder if I can get a GTI for cheap now..
If they make a good car that people want, it would probably be a cold day in hell before they take a loss on one now.
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I pay 2000 Euro's of driver taxes...every single year for my ///M3 .
First time in traffic taxes (BIV) was 5000 Euro's , but now became => x 2 !
And my car is no diesel !
Because Belgium really s@cks and the government are thieves ....
I am speechless. That is confiscatory in every way. I am so sorry.

I have 6 cars. I will never complain about road taxes again.
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If I owned one of these I'd be totally ticked off by this offer. How about you, an insult? A prepaid card for $500 and a $500 "dealership card" I get to spend at their dealership? Wow, what a deal!

VW to offer U.S. diesel car owners $1,000 'goodwill package'

Volkswagen AG's U.S. marketing operation said on Monday it will offer $1,000 worth of credit cards, of which half may be spent at VW dealerships, to owners of certain diesel models the company has admitted do not comply with government emissions standards.

The automaker said eligible U.S. owners of Volkswagen and Audi models equipped with 2.0 liter TDI diesel engines can apply to receive a $500 prepaid Visa card and a $500 dealership card, as well as three years of free roadside assistance services. Volkswagen has said about 482,000 cars with four-cylinder diesel engines had software installed that allowed the engines to pass government tests for smog-forming nitrogen oxide emissions, but pollute at levels far above government limits in normal operation.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/compa...8QQh?li=AA4Zjn
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I am speechless. That is confiscatory in every way. I am so sorry.

I have 6 cars. I will never complain about road taxes again.
Thanks bud for your understanding and I really appreciate your kind words .
God bless the place where you are...
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If I owned one of these I'd be totally ticked off by this offer. How about you, an insult? A prepaid card for $500 and a $500 "dealership card" I get to spend at their dealership? Wow, what a deal!
I don't see a problem with it unless I was also required to sign something saying it was the the final resolution. They give me $500 and I spend it, better than the nothing I had before they gave me the $500. I see this as only the beginning that will fully play out once the fix is determined, what it does to the car is determined, and the lawsuits start. I don't see coming up with a decent payout amount until they know what the downsides of the fix are.

Friends family had their house burn down. Insurance gave them a check almost immediately for $10k to use while the rest was worked out. It was just a "hold over" until the rest worked out.

I think too early to be ticked off.
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Ouch. I pay about $35 USD per year to keep my BMW taxed and registered in the USA.
Same here, in GA you just pay ~$25 for an emissions test and $20 for registration, doesn't matter what kind of passenger car it is. You pay ~7% tax when you buy a car and then it's $20/year. Makes it more sensible to keep the car longer.

Really sucks if you move here though, because you'll be hit with the 7% fee when you go to register the car you brought with you. So don't buy anything expensive before you move to Georgia, or you'll be paying thousands in taxes twice.
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Same here, in GA you just pay ~$25 for an emissions test and $20 for registration, doesn't matter what kind of passenger car it is. You pay ~7% tax when you buy a car and then it's $20/year. Makes it more sensible to keep the car longer.

Really sucks if you move here though, because you'll be hit with the 7% fee when you go to register the car you brought with you. So don't buy anything expensive before you move to Georgia, or you'll be paying thousands in taxes twice.
This makes a lot of sense as a policy as it lowers the total cost of ownership as the car ages which helps the less fortunate.

I think the '07 M6 and the '14328d are right at $50.00 + $25 for the inspection sticker. The i8 is about $250 + $25 for the IS, the X5 is $75 + $25 for the IS, the Ford Fusion is $30 +$25, and the 535GT is $85 + 25. Btw, the diesel is good for 2yrs.

All in all, not to bad.

Especially when compared to our friend, Philippe. Which I am still floored about.
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Ohhh wow that's really cheap ! Is your car a ///M3 ?
Doesn't matter if it was a Ferrari or a Ford, registration fee is the same for cars in most (but not all) states.

I pay about $45/year for registration renewal on the cars, about $65/year for my truck, as they for some reason charge more for trucks. No other fee's. Of course there are taxes built into the fuel prices (again, it is different from state to state) and most states - mine included - charge sales tax on used cars.
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Doesn't matter if it was a Ferrari or a Ford, registration fee is the same for cars in most (but not all) states.

I pay about $45/year for registration renewal on the cars, about $65/year for my truck, as they for some reason charge more for trucks. No other fee's. Of course there are taxes built into the fuel prices (again, it is different from state to state) and most states - mine included - charge sales tax on used cars.
This sounds like paradise to me .
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More on how VW cheated diesel emissions test

Besides using a "fool the EPA" motor control mode, VW also cheated by overinflating tires to 51 PSI and mixing diesel fuel with the engine oil. (Apparently these last two tricks are legal, whereas the special mode is not.) The German newspaper article supports my theory that VW began this diesel emissions cheating years after they had committed to their "clean diesel" corporate strategy. When the VW engineers told the VW executives that the emission standards could not be met, the decision was made to cheat. The "code only" trick they chose must have seemed very attractive: no product cost and low risk. If four students didn't stumble upon the excessive NOx, VW might have gotten away with it.

From ExtremeTech:

"More information is coming out on the specifics of how Volkswagen managed to do so well on diesel emissions testing. ... from the German newspaper Bild am Sontag, quoting VW engineers and internal reports."

"The German newspaper said it talked with several Volkswagen engineers and learned that tampering with the testing process began in 2013, the year after departed CEO Martin Winterkorn said VW would reduce CO2 emissions 30% by 2015. VW’s technical wizards found the goal impossible to meet through engineering wizardry. Instead, they turned to trickery."

"One tactic was to increase tire pressure to 3.5 bar or 51 pounds per square inch, 10-15 psi higher than most cars run at. A stiffer tire has less rolling resistance and better fuel economy. A tire pumped up that high, especially with low-profile tires, might be more susceptible to blowouts on potholes. It would also be less comfortable for passengers."

"Another trick was to mix diesel fuel into the motor oil, supposedly to make the car run smoother and use less fuel. It’s not clear if VW meant on cars built for customers or only for tested vehicles. Diesel is a waxy fuel with some lubricating properties — certainly more than gasoline — but thinner than motor oil, so it’s unclear if engine wear might be affected."

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