[Law]

Originally Posted by rjd598

Jerez should be included. It's a base blue color

I've also heard the opposite.
There were a lot of comparisons between Jerez & Carbon when the E9x M3 came out and the breakdown of the two were often listed as:

Jerez Black Metallic
Paint code - A73
The mix is :
Color ( % of total mix )
Black ( 80%)
Pearl Blue ( 7% )
Dark Violet ( 5% )
Light pearl blue( 4% )
Laser Green( 3% )
Pearl White( 1% )

Carbon Black Metallic
Paint code 416
The mix is :
Color ( % of total mix )
Black ( 76%)
Special Red ( 5% )
Pearl Blue( 12% )
Dark Blue( 4% )
Brilliant silver( 2% )
Silver( 1% )

If the above is true, both Jerez and Carbon use black base colors. Still, both Jerez and Carbon are quite blue under direct sunlight.
Now I don't know how accurate these numbers are, but if someone can chime in I'd certainly appreciate it.

What we do know, is that Jerez Black is derived from Circuito de Jerez in Spain. This picture of the circuit's logo demonstrates the color quite accurately.


And Carbon Black comes from the color of carbon paper.

[mkoesel]

It doesn't really make sense to include colors that BMW calls "Black" anyway. Otherwise you also get into the same subjectivity with greens, violets, silvers, etc. It's either called "Blue" or it isn't, regardless of how it may appear in certain lighting conditions.

So, unless anyone knows of any more colors that originated as M exclusive blues, I believe the complete, chronological list is in MFNATIK's post #19 above.

[JN1]

This thread needs pics of each.

[MFNATIK]

I borrowed these pics from REVOLVER post about his Mexico Blue M3. I hope you don't mind!

Here are some shade/color differences between YMB, LSB, Santorini (not a true M color since I am not aware of any race tracks in Greece, but it sure is a beautiful place!) and Mexico Blue (Porsche color).

[MFNATIK]

If there are enough people in SoCal that have a blue M car that wants to get together and do a Blue ///M photoshoot then I'd be interested in participating in that to get a shade lineup. Jerez and Carbon cars are welcome just for shits and giggles too.

[rjd598]

Originally Posted by Law

I've also heard the opposite.
There were a lot of comparisons between Jerez & Carbon when the E9x M3 came out and the breakdown of the two were often listed as:

Jerez Black Metallic
Paint code - A73
The mix is :
Color ( % of total mix )
Black ( 80%)
Pearl Blue ( 7% )
Dark Violet ( 5% )
Light pearl blue( 4% )
Laser Green( 3% )
Pearl White( 1% )

Carbon Black Metallic
Paint code 416
The mix is :
Color ( % of total mix )
Black ( 76%)
Special Red ( 5% )
Pearl Blue( 12% )
Dark Blue( 4% )
Brilliant silver( 2% )
Silver( 1% )

If the above is true, both Jerez and Carbon use black base colors. Still, both Jerez and Carbon are quite blue under direct sunlight.
Now I don't know how accurate these numbers are, but if someone can chime in I'd certainly appreciate it.

What we do know, is that Jerez Black is derived from Circuito de Jerez in Spain. This picture of the circuit's logo demonstrates the color quite accurately.


And Carbon Black comes from the color of carbon paper.

Awesome info. I would say carbon sees more "blue" in its base but I've only seen the color in person a handful of times. I've lived with my Jerez for 5.5 years now almost. It's definitely blue base.

[rjd598]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

It doesn't really make sense to include colors that BMW calls "Black" anyway. Otherwise you also get into the same subjectivity with greens, violets, silvers, etc. It's either called "Blue" or it isn't, regardless of how it may appear in certain lighting conditions.

So, unless anyone knows of any more colors that originated as M exclusive blues, I believe the complete, chronological list is in MFNATIK's post #19 above.

Jerez and carbon are ALWAYS blue under any type of light. As far as I can think of I would say they must be the most "debated" colors. You're right other colors could follow the same pattern, but none match the level of confusion of Jerez/carbon black I think.

I could care less what makes the list or not. Just saying it's not that black and white with some colors.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by rjd598

Jerez and carbon are ALWAYS blue under any type of light. As far as I can think of I would say they must be the most "debated" colors. You're right other colors could follow the same pattern, but none match the level of confusion of Jerez/carbon black I think.

Silverstone. Silverstone is always blue too. But its not blue. Its silver. Because BMW says. It's been that way for decades, and yes its been debated for decades too.

I could care less what makes the list or not. Just saying it's not that black and white with some colors.

I don't particularly care either, but OP started a thread about a list of M blues so we should stick to that topic.

[Sassicaia]

poll added. For reference these are blues, not blacks or silvers with blue in them. For the sake of this pool if BMW calls them black they are black, not blue even if you see blue.

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1222949

[m630]

Originally Posted by JNM3

This thread needs pics of each.

ILB S85