[335i4u2nv]

thanks dragonman!!! hey ur from phila/nj area! whats up!!!!

[335i4u2nv]

i dont know where madison is though... hmmm

[Dragonman4]

madison is in morris county, north jersey. I grew up there pretty much. NM now, I'm finishing up my last clinical rotation to graduate in May lol. Senioritis is kicking in bad

[Couch]

Originally Posted by schneid4323

Ive been debating things like this for weeks.

Aderall is terrible, the fact they give it to children sickens me. It is an enphetamine with the same side affects as speed as well as the same dependency, and parents give this to kids 5+..... Doctors pass this speed out like wild fire, anyone who has taken it, including myself, knows that it helps you concentrate but ruins your appetite and keeps you up just like coke or meth... Giving this to really anyone for daily use, especially growing children must be a joke, i seriously dont understand where people get off doing this.

You see a rise in ADD mainly hitting in my generation, the beginning of the internet. Why is this you might ask? well one measures brain thoughts at mili-seconds and one measures processing in nano, so the need to think quicker has come. Evolution? possibly Adaptation? eventually will become evolution. So why fight progress? I have ADD and i figured out the best way to use that with my OCD. Something called Lateral thinking http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lateral_thinking is what i typically do mixed with logic/reason... controlling your ADD to focus on topics, practicing it, maybe even getting to the point where I am may help you, I can literally use my ADD to think twice as fast as one could in traditional ways, I have stepped outside the boundaries of language into a spiral of thought in which ADD is very useful. The world is changing, we must change to, just as we did when Plato wrote Republic and when the middle east obtained Aristotle, and when Augustine started the dark ages. If you need any help or have any question about how to not suppress ADD but to control your mind with the absence of drugs (pot is useful really though, but way better then speed) im willing to help you with anything that I can. Dont fight it, control it, utilize it, make money...

I agree.

No kids should be taking any sort of meds, except the occasional tylenol/asprin, or cold medicines.

They have a fucking pill for everything. Why? Because everyone has been coaxed into believing they are suffering from one thing or another.

I can't concentrate for shit, my mind wanders all day. It's just how I am. If I can graduate high school and college than I can become succesful in life.

I sure wouldn't mind taking one of these pills for fun one day though.

[Kilockel]

Originally Posted by JoeClothing

Yup...I was diagnosed with it. Took Adderall for one day and felt like I was going bonkers. I literally didn't sleep for a 24 hour period and hated that my heart felt like it was going to beat out of my chest, so I got off the meds, and well have decided to just live with it.
.

I'm sure this has been stated in posts after this, but Adderall is THE strongest amphetamine you can legally get your hands on (as far as I am aware, at least). This is why you felt the way you did. I've been on it for years.

Originally Posted by Couch

I agree.

No kids should be taking any sort of meds, except the occasional tylenol/asprin, or cold medicines.

They have a fucking pill for everything. Why? Because everyone has been coaxed into believing they are suffering from one thing or another.

I can't concentrate for shit, my mind wanders all day. It's just how I am. If I can graduate high school and college than I can become succesful in life.

I sure wouldn't mind taking one of these pills for fun one day though.

While partly correct, you're taking it to the extreme, just like everyone else with your position on medicinal treatments of children. It can be VERY helpful in many situations, however over-diagnosed and abused you may think it to be.

Also, I have no dependency to the drug at all. I can stop taking it whenever I want for however long I want, and have proved so many times to non-believers. Although there are many, many medical studies stating otherwise, I'm a firm believer that addiction is nothing more than a weak mind.

For the OP:

I've never taken Strattera and probably never will. I take Adderall, as you can probably already guess. Being very chemically similar to the drug everyone calls Speed, it does make your heart race, can cause muscle aches, stomach aches, and headaches. You'll probably sweat a lot more taking it, and your appetite may decrease, as well as your sleep cycle. Fortunately, I have no problems with eating, sleeping, muscle aches, stomach aches, or headaches. Awhile back I would have trouble sleeping and would never want to eat, but that isn't the case anymore. My heart does race, as it always will when taking the drug, and I do sweat much more than I regularly would. I've learned to work through this, and working out and exercising even more than I did has helped to alleviate both of those problems slightly.

[Couch]

Originally Posted by Kilockel

I'm sure this has been stated in posts after this, but Adderall is THE strongest amphetamine you can legally get your hands on (as far as I am aware, at least). This is why you felt the way you did. I've been on it for years.



While partly correct, you're taking it to the extreme, just like everyone else with your position on medicinal treatments of children. It can be VERY helpful in many situations, however over-diagnosed and abused you may think it to be.

Also, I have no dependency to the drug at all. I can stop taking it whenever I want for however long I want, and have proved so many times to non-believers. Although there are many, many medical studies stating otherwise, I'm a firm believer that addiction is nothing more than a weak mind.

I should have been more precise, but I was using "No" loosely.

Of course there are kids that do need medications. I know a lot of teachers and it seems 90% of their classes are on some sort of medication. That's what scares me. Then I hear the stories of the parents......even more scary.

[Kilockel]

Originally Posted by Couch

I should have been more precise, but I was using "No" loosely.

Of course there are kids that do need medications. I know a lot of teachers and it seems 90% of their classes are on some sort of medication. That's what scares me. Then I hear the stories of the parents......even more scary.

I do agree, parents are very quick to medicate their children, and in many instances far too quickly. It all makes you wonder...

[335i4u2nv]

hmmm hgh for all adults and adderal for all kids. lol what a country

[Revlis]

Originally Posted by Kilockel

I do agree, parents are very quick to medicate their children, and in many instances far too quickly. It all makes you wonder...

sometimes it's NOT the parents... My Aunt was convinced by the school system in FloriDUH that my young Cousin was ADD... So on the meds he goes. Turned him into a little zombie, it was pathetic.

We're actively medicating the intelligence out of our kids. If they do not conform to some pathetically low standards of behavior there must be something wrong. Einstein would have likely been medicated in schools today...

All that being said though I was diagnosed as a child with ADD. Spent a couple of years taking Ritalin didn't seem to have any effect. What DID make a huge difference C-D student to A-B student was a different school. Made all the difference in fact with no need for medication, go figure.

As an adult I find myself constantly wondering, mind on anything other than the job at hand... As a Graphic Artist I can get away with it too an extent but it seems to be getting worse... I'm wondering if simply increasing my caffeine intake may help...

[rambino]

I have ADHD.. I cant even read thru these posts as I have not the attention span´.

I was for 8 years on ritalin and often over dosed by the doctor (120mg a day slow release) and had many psychotic phobias from it during that time.. It wasnt until 11 years ago when i went to college and weened off the stuff..

Unfortunatley it really effects my life.. I cant sit in an office all day, my attention span to do work lasts maximum an hour and then I find excuses not to do work as i become extremely bored with things Very quickly, i think so fast that i often mispell words because im already writing the next letter before i finish the one im on, im restless all the time etc..

so basically i find solice in a few things, Driving relaxes me, My old habit of Smoking Marijuna did a great deal to relax me but it made me dumb and complacent and I lost all motiviation to grow up or do anything so I recently quit it, i find that partying is fun but i have trouble staying in one place for longer than an hour since i become bored ánd need to be constantly on the move.. etcc its really tough.

Im a lost sheep, no job that fits me, no interest in things other than my own car and women, no attention span to focus on important stuff in life.. I just glide by.. its hard it really is.. i cant sit still ever

[Hawkeye]

Originally Posted by JoeClothing

Yup...I was diagnosed with it. Took Adderall for one day and felt like I was going bonkers. I literally didn't sleep for a 24 hour period and hated that my heart felt like it was going to beat out of my chest, so I got off the meds, and well have decided to just live with it.
.

FYI, this means you DON'T have ADD or ADHD. The meds have the opposite effect on people without the condition. My roommates in college that took my Dexatrine a few times had the same thing happen to them and they deffinitely did not have ADD either.

I had/have it but I don't take meds anymore (I stopped partway through college). I stopped noticing a difference after 7 years on them and so now I just kind of deal with it.

[Hawkeye]

Originally Posted by Kilockel

I'm sure this has been stated in posts after this, but Adderall is THE strongest amphetamine you can legally get your hands on (as far as I am aware, at least). This is why you felt the way you did. I've been on it for years.

This is not true. Adderall is a brand name of an amphetamine. They all come in different doses and strengths. The difference between Adderall and what I was on is that Adderall is quick release while I was taking a slow release.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amphetamine

[335i4u2nv]

ya im comin to the conclusion of just dealing with it... i mean its good to be able to control it and all. but i just cant rememeber things and focus when needed too. bu ti can multi-task and control so many situtations. and im very fast on my feet when it comes to thinking.


But again thanks for everyone input! i never thought id get this type of response on this topic.

[Kilockel]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye

This is not true. Adderall is a brand name of an amphetamine. They all come in different doses and strengths. The difference between Adderall and what I was on is that Adderall is quick release while I was taking a slow release.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amphetamine

Again, as far as I am aware Adderall XR (in it's highest available dosages) is the "strongest" stimulant legally available for treatment of ADD and ADHD.

[Hawkeye]

Originally Posted by Kilockel

Again, as far as I am aware Adderall XR (in it's highest available dosages) is the "strongest" stimulant legally available for treatment of ADD and ADHD.

The closest generic equivalent to Adderall is dextroamphetamine sulfate also known as Dexadrine and available in a sustained release form called Dexadrine ER. It should be noted that Adderal uses "mixed amphetamine salts" and Dexadrine is a single salt therefore Dexedrine ER is not a strict generic equivalent for Adderall XR, though it may, in terms of physiological and psychological effects, be a de facto generic alternative.

As I said before. IT IS THE SAME.

[Dragonman4]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye

The closest generic equivalent to Adderall is dextroamphetamine sulfate also known as Dexadrine and available in a sustained release form called Dexadrine ER. It should be noted that Adderal uses "mixed amphetamine salts" and Dexadrine is a single salt therefore Dexedrine ER is not a strict generic equivalent for Adderall XR, though it may, in terms of physiological and psychological effects, be a de facto generic alternative.

As I said before. IT IS THE SAME.

If you're talking about potencies between the various stimulants, Focalin XR is the most potent amphetamine-derived stimulant. It's actually about twice as potent as Adderall XR if you run the conversions.

I wouldn't really recommend using Wikipedia as a research tool for medical information or drug info. Thomson Micromedex or UpToDate is far better, but if you're not in the medical field, I'd suggest sticking with MedLine Plus, eMedicine, or Rxlist.com

[Kilockel]

Originally Posted by Dragonman4

If you're talking about potencies between the various stimulants, Focalin XR is the most potent amphetamine-derived stimulant. It's actually about twice as potent as Adderall XR if you run the conversions.

I wouldn't really recommend using Wikipedia as a research tool for medical information or drug info. Thomson Micromedex or UpToDate is far better, but if you're not in the medical field, I'd suggest sticking with MedLine Plus, eMedicine, or Rxlist.com

Interesting.. I've never heard of Focalin, but thanks for adding to my list of things to read up on!

[Dragonman4]

It was released by Novartis in 2005, it's got a pretty crazy side effect profile, including causing/worsening depression if you suddenly stop it. Again, if you have a predisposing cardiac issue, you should carefully consider starting a stimulant.

[Hawkeye]

Originally Posted by Dragonman4

If you're talking about potencies between the various stimulants, Focalin XR is the most potent amphetamine-derived stimulant. It's actually about twice as potent as Adderall XR if you run the conversions.

I wouldn't really recommend using Wikipedia as a research tool for medical information or drug info. Thomson Micromedex or UpToDate is far better, but if you're not in the medical field, I'd suggest sticking with MedLine Plus, eMedicine, or Rxlist.com

I tried using a couple other site first (like eroid) but my work has them blocked under the category "DRUGS" lol. btw, didn't you know Wikipedia is the new Britannica?

I have not heard of Focalin either, perhaps cause I have been on nothing for the past 7 years, just a guess. Either way I was just trying to say the two we were arguing about were the same thing and Adderall was not any more powerful.

[Dragonman4]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye

I tried using a couple other site first (like eroid) but my work has them blocked under the category "DRUGS" lol. btw, didn't you know Wikipedia is the new Britannica?

I have not heard of Focalin either, perhaps cause I have been on nothing for the past 7 years, just a guess. Either way I was just trying to say the two we were arguing about were the same thing and Adderall was not any more powerful.

That part is true. Focalin is kind of the last resort of stimulants as most insurance companies will not let you get it without trying the other ones first or requiring a prior authorization by the doctor. And if they do, many times they'll charge you their highest copay for brand meds or make you pay for it completely if it's non-formulary.

[Revlis]

Originally Posted by rambino

I have ADHD.. I cant even read thru these posts as I have not the attention span´.

I was for 8 years on ritalin and often over dosed by the doctor (120mg a day slow release) and had many psychotic phobias from it during that time.. It wasnt until 11 years ago when i went to college and weened off the stuff..

Unfortunatley it really effects my life.. I cant sit in an office all day, my attention span to do work lasts maximum an hour and then I find excuses not to do work as i become extremely bored with things Very quickly, i think so fast that i often mispell words because im already writing the next letter before i finish the one im on, im restless all the time etc..

so basically i find solice in a few things, Driving relaxes me, My old habit of Smoking Marijuna did a great deal to relax me but it made me dumb and complacent and I lost all motiviation to grow up or do anything so I recently quit it, i find that partying is fun but i have trouble staying in one place for longer than an hour since i become bored ánd need to be constantly on the move.. etcc its really tough.

Im a lost sheep, no job that fits me, no interest in things other than my own car and women, no attention span to focus on important stuff in life.. I just glide by.. its hard it really is.. i cant sit still ever

Dude you just described me about perfectly... Just gliding by.

The upside is that when your mind is going 900MPH, ideas show up in a hurry... Come crunch time, I can crank out art faster than anyone I know. Same goes for high drama/critical situations, I can react and be moving much faster than many cause I've already worked out four different story lines in my head simultaneously and I know which produces the most likely positive outcome.

But yeah, otherwise... I'm freaking all over the place.