[Darth One]

Why are you guys arguing about track usage? Almost no one buying a Tesla will be doing it primarily for track usage. I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of BMW buyers aren't either. (Porsche GT, perhaps different story/market)

I do get (and so does Elon) the marketing benefit of having track bragging rights, but even if Tesla was shit on the track, it wouldn't really bother anyone.

(Now what should bother you is that they're the automotive equivalent of riding the bullet train, but if you don't want to go there, carry on)

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by eDrive

I all adds up.

It's actually a collective effort.

This just cracks me up. Here you are telling us that we don't give a shit about "tomorrow" yet you advocate track driving an EV/Hybrid. I hope you can see the irony in what you are writing. You do understand that if one is considering his environmental impact on the planet by the size of the carbon footprint he creates, the LAST thing he would do is advocate racing a car on a track regardless of the car's drivetrain architecture. I would think Chicken Little would be advocating a simplistic lifestyle that conserves fuel at any cost and personal sacrifice.

Please continue, I need the entertainment...

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

This just cracks me up...

Owning at least one electric car is a huge start.

Now please get a life you old geezer.

I thought you were done.

Next /

[Grumpy Old Man]

Originally Posted by eDrive

Owning at least one electric car is a huge start.

Now please get a life you old geezer.

I thought you were done.

Next /

You seem to have a lot of anger towards older folks, or are you joking and it's just not coming through in your posts.

[Z K]

Originally Posted by Darth One

Why are you guys arguing about track usage? Almost no one buying a Tesla will be doing it primarily for track usage. I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of BMW buyers aren't either. (Porsche GT, perhaps different story/market)

I do get (and so does Elon) the marketing benefit of having track bragging rights, but even if Tesla was shit on the track, it wouldn't really bother anyone.

(Now what should bother you is that they're the automotive equivalent of riding the bullet train, but if you don't want to go there, carry on)

Yes, they are shit on track unless you're going for that 1 lap glory run. And yes, the mass majority of people will never see the track.

But that doesn't satisfy most car enthusiasts which do go to the track... until Tesla or other EV maker comes out with a serious sports sedan, it is a very expensive commuter car.

If it was 1/2 the price, I wouldn't care. The car is actually not very expensive to build. It's the batteries that are the majority of the cost.

[Grumpy Old Man]

Originally Posted by Z K

Yes, they are shit on track unless you're going for that 1 lap glory run. And yes, the mass majority of people will never see the track.

But that doesn't satisfy most car enthusiasts which do go to the track... until Tesla or other EV maker comes out with a serious sports sedan, it is a very expensive commuter car.

If it was 1/2 the price, I wouldn't care. The car is actually not very expensive to build. It's the batteries that are the majority of the cost.

I'd add to that, as I know a few folks that have them and I think there's a view that they have something unique. I think a lot of the owners aren't care people but they love the tech aspect, like the big iPad in the dash. It's also a status symbol for many of them.

[Z K]

Originally Posted by Grumpy Old Man

I'd add to that, as I know a few folks that have them and I think there's a view that they have something unique. I think a lot of the owners aren't care people but they love the tech aspect, like the big iPad in the dash. It's also a status symbol for many of them.

Living in California, Teslas are everywhere. Since the Model 3 is lower priced, I see them much more often now.

The majority of them are definitely not car enthusiasts. Having a conversation with them is very frustrating. As you say, they love the technology... being able to control your car with the phone, autopilot, how fast and smooth the user interface is etc... all features that most car people don't care much about. They're very proud of their car but it's more of a status symbol.

Then if you start talking about driving and performance, they start quoting how fast the car accelerates, it'll do 0-60 in under 5 seconds. They know nothing about handling or how the car does in speeds past 60mph (they don't do well). Nor that the figure is not really impressive when an Evo or STI was doing 0-60 in 4.5 seconds back in 2003.

I've been behind the wheel of a few Model 3s. They're not bad.. but definitely not a car I'd own as my only car.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by eDrive

Owning at least one electric car is a huge start.

Now please get a life you old geezer.

I thought you were done.

Next /

LOL. With age comes patience, Grasshopper. There are over 4 billion carbon spewing humans on the planet. Far more than 60% could give a shit about global warming and the tomorrow they are concerned about is the one that is 24 hours away from today, not some Western guilt-trip fantasy land where the trees are catching fire because of a 1 degree C change in the globe's mean temperature. Your need to feel special is consuming you.

Young Grasshopper, ease your mind, drive fossil.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by Grumpy Old Man

You seem to have a lot of anger towards older folks, or are you joking and it's just not coming through in your posts.

I am good with older people just not the grumpy ones including yourself.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Grumpy Old Man

You seem to have a lot of anger towards older folks, or are you joking and it's just not coming through in your posts.

He knows we're not going to be a round when Mother Earth overheats and kills all of humanity, so he knows we don't care about the planet, which is from where the hatred stems.