[ASAP]

i really dont understand why anyone wants a 6mt in a g80 m3 or the new m2... it feels completely out of place w such a tech dash, mountains of tq and in some cases in cars encroaching 4klbs... it simply no longer makes sense

[Tag]

Duh, whomever thought there would be a MT offered in the next gen of EV's is delusional.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by Onesie

I don’t understand the correlations you’re making.

What does weight have to do with the transmission?
What does the screen have to do with the transmission?
What does the torque have to do with the transmission?

Yea I mean why not put a 6mt into a tank or aircract carrier for more feel while we are at it?

[eljay]

Originally Posted by kgelfen360

Yea I think manual dies with petrol engine

Yes, it is tied in part to ICEs, but IMO the major reason for the push for automatics is because the manufacturer cannot control the manual. And you need to control the transmission to meet emissions, fuel economy targets and the provide autonomous driving functions for ICE-equipped cars.

[ScullyD]

Originally Posted by 10"

I have a feeling somebody is going to develop a manual-like gearbox for electric cars in the future—something to enhance engagement. It is inevitable. It won't be the same thing obviously but will simulate that feeling, probably.

Til then—the electric car police are going to have to the rip my 1M key out of my hands to get me to stop driving it!!! RESIST!!

Do buyers really want an inauthentic form of engagement? I'd rather car companies try to find authentic ways to make me feel engaged (ie reduce weight, better handling, maybe paddles for regen, etc) in an electric car than try to rip off the feeling of an ICE car.

[440i6MT]

I am still taken aback by the fact that they offered the f06 6-series with a manual.

[440i6MT]

Originally Posted by 10"

I have a feeling somebody is going to develop a manual-like gearbox for electric cars in the future—something to enhance engagement. It is inevitable. It won't be the same thing obviously but will simulate that feeling, probably.

Til then—the electric car police are going to have to the rip my 1M key out of my hands to get me to stop driving it!!! RESIST!!

Essentially, a s•xbot for manual enthusiasts

[freakystyly]

Like what Hyundai is already doing on their EVs to control regenerative braking?

[carjoy]

While it may not be something we all want to hear, the manual transmission wasn't truly developed for sports cars or the sport car enthusiast. It just happened to be what came first, what technology and the brains of the day could develop, and was strictly used in cars until GM invented the Hydro-Matic 5 speed clutchless gearbox in 1938. It wasn't developed because it was more efficient, less complex, easier to service, etc., it evolved in the absence of a better alternative.

We all grew up changing gears, loving a 6-speed, speed and thinking it's an integral part of the sports driving experience, but frankly, the Manual remained in sports cars not because it gave us drivers more feedback, but because it was the only viable choice for the greater part of the last century, until the advent of higher performance Steptronic and DCT transmissions began surpassing the Manual. Newer gearboxes could handle more power more efficiently, could change gears faster. The Manual slowly began its decline.

Early on, Manual cars were more economical, got better gas mileage, could take more horsepower, they catered to a post war buyer who grew up in a Manual world. But things have changed and we must change with them.

We will still have the used and classic car market when the last 6-speed rolls of the line, but it's coming demise is part and parcel what happens when we innovate, when driving priorities shift, when one technology usurps another, despite what emotional attachment or ethereal response it provides. The modern day automatic is less fussy, more efficient, and more convenient for urban driving. Tastes have also changed and we no longer HAVE to roll gears, and I guess, sadly, that's the difference 100 years make.

When Emile Levassor and Louis-Rene Panhard invented the Manual in 1894, there was nothing else available and the world had only one option. The function of a Manual has remained largely unchanged since then, but the world hasn't. Progress sometimes sets us back lads, but do not wallow in it's demise, for the next 25 years will give us plenty of toys and new "Manuals" to love and enjoy.

You'll have to find another stick to love 😂

[10"]

Originally Posted by ScullyD

Do buyers really want an inauthentic form of engagement? I'd rather car companies try to find authentic ways to make me feel engaged (ie reduce weight, better handling, maybe paddles for regen, etc) in an electric car than try to rip off the feeling of an ICE car.

Good point and question—-

The reason we love manuals so much is the control and engagement it takes—and the feeling that without our input, the car doesn't move. You're right that some phony ass manual will probably upset us more than entertain us LOOOL—but if it's done right and with some enthusiasm it may be alright!

[kgelfen360]

Originally Posted by eljay

Yes, it is tied in part to ICEs, but IMO the major reason for the push for automatics is because the manufacturer cannot control the manual. And you need to control the transmission to meet emissions, fuel economy targets and the provide autonomous driving functions for ICE-equipped cars.

Yea that's all true for sure. It's like too basic…

[kyleb350]

Originally Posted by carjoy

While it may not be something we all want to hear, the manual transmission wasn't truly developed for sports cars or the sport car enthusiast. It just happened to be what came first, what technology and the brains of the day could develop, and was strictly used in cars until GM invented the Hydro-Matic 5 speed clutchless gearbox in 1938. It wasn't developed because it was more efficient, less complex, easier to service, etc., it evolved in the absence of a better alternative.

We all grew up changing gears, loving a 6-speed, speed and thinking it's an integral part of the sports driving experience, but frankly, the Manual remained in sports cars not because it gave us drivers more feedback, but because it was the only viable choice for the greater part of the last century, until the advent of higher performance Steptronic and DCT transmissions began surpassing the Manual. Newer gearboxes could handle more power more efficiently, could change gears faster. The Manual slowly began its decline.

Early on, Manual cars were more economical, got better gas mileage, could take more horsepower, they catered to a post war buyer who grew up in a Manual world. But things have changed and we must change with them.

We will still have the used and classic car market when the last 6-speed rolls of the line, but it's coming demise is part and parcel what happens when we innovate, when driving priorities shift, when one technology usurps another, despite what emotional attachment or ethereal response it provides. The modern day automatic is less fussy, more efficient, and more convenient for urban driving. Tastes have also changed and we no longer HAVE to roll gears, and I guess, sadly, that's the difference 100 years make.

When Emile Levassor and Louis-Rene Panhard invented the Manual in 1894, there was nothing else available and the world had only one option. The function of a Manual has remained largely unchanged since then, but the world hasn't. Progress sometimes sets us back lads, but do not wallow in it's demise, for the next 25 years will give us plenty of toys and new "Manuals" to love and enjoy.

You'll have to find another stick to love 😂

I think you're under the assumption we drive manuals for outright performance or mileage. Yes, preferences, technology, and regulations are pushing this to the wayside, but there will still be a small audience for it.

[stefan]

There is a direct correlation between the lack of interest in building drivers cars and the dropping of, in order:

- "the ultimate driving machine"
- NA motors ("no turbo M cars")
- DCTs
- the promise of "no M SUVs"
- attempts at cutting weight
- functional design ("timelessness") vs product design
- manuals

And soon
- RWD variants
- ICEs

I have no doubt their shareholders will benefit.

[Westside Guy]

Originally Posted by ASAP

i really dont understand why anyone wants a 6mt in a g80 m3 or the new m2... it feels completely out of place w such a tech dash, mountains of tq and in some cases in cars encroaching 4klbs... it simply no longer makes sense

They are already booking orders for the 2023 GR Supra A91-MT and hopefully the G29 Z4 will have an announcement regarding this in the near future. The bottom line is that it makes sense to all of the people that really enjoy using it.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by Westside Guy

They are already booking orders for the 2023 GR Supra A91-MT and hopefully the G29 Z4 will have an announcement regarding this in the near future. The bottom line is that it makes sense to all of the people that really enjoy using it.

think about the weight of both of those cars

[Takumi587]

Was at the track other day and we were talking about how much we enjoyed driving a manual. One person chimed in and said he saw no point in it and said it’s archaic tech now. We all looked at him and asked if he knew how to drive manual and he said no. We then continued our conversation about how great it is to drive a manual.

[icebiker]

Originally Posted by takumi587

was at the track other day and we were talking about how much we enjoyed driving a manual. One person chimed in and said he saw no point in it and said it’s archaic tech now. We all looked at him and asked if he knew how to drive manual and he said no. We then continued our conversation about how great it is to drive a manual.

😁👍

[DB_Cooper]

BMW designs may be polarizing but at least they're sticking to the MT option in M cars.

I still don't understand why EVs can't just be one option along w/ ICE in a manufacturers lineup, as it is now. You can make the majority of your cars EVs and still offer ICE M models w/ a MT for the indefinite future without an arbitrary cap of "end of the decade".

There's a significant market for MT-ICE cars, and I don't think it's going away anytime soon.

[stefan]

Originally Posted by ASAP

i really dont understand why anyone wants a 6mt in a g80 m3 or the new m2... it feels completely out of place w such a tech dash, mountains of tq and in some cases in cars encroaching 4klbs... it simply no longer makes sense

I don't really know why anyone gets an ICE car. Engines feel completely out of place in fast sports cars with their mountains of torque. It simply no longer makes sense.

But seriously. Manuals are the definition of driver involvement. I cannot fathom why anyone wants to buy a sports car i.e., something where the whole point of it is driving, and then have two of your limbs doing absolutely nothing. Like don't complain about EPS or weight. May as well buy a Hyundai Kona EV.

[moonluv810]

Originally Posted by takumi587

was at the track other day and we were talking about how much we enjoyed driving a manual. One person chimed in and said he saw no point in it and said it’s archaic tech now. We all looked at him and asked if he knew how to drive manual and he said no. We then continued our conversation about how great it is to drive a manual.

😂😂😂😂😂

[moonluv810]

Contributing to the effort.

#savethemanual

[picaso]

I drove a friends m2 in manual, and I am sorry to say, I hated it so much. The clutch was so light and the first gear was a pain to deal with and took sometime to get used to. I was very surprised coming from a Toyota the lack of crisp shifts.

Maybe it was just the m2, or the fact they had tuned the car. Who knows. I'm open to trying the new cars again.