[csmith5888]

I think its time that Koenigsegg starts mass producing their revolutionary gearbox to allow everyone the choice between manual & auto depending on their mood in the drivers seat...

[PLF69]

Originally Posted by csmith5888

I think its time that Koenigsegg starts mass producing their revolutionary gearbox to allow everyone the choice between manual & auto depending on their mood in the drivers seat...

Best 2022 invention, best invention ever !!

[antzcrashing]

"We will watch what porsche does and if they still offer manual and are taking share from us we will continue offering it. For now: you're welcome"

[ScullyD]

Originally Posted by picaso

I drove a friends m2 in manual, and I am sorry to say, I hated it so much. The clutch was so light and the first gear was a pain to deal with and took sometime to get used to. I was very surprised coming from a Toyota the lack of crisp shifts.

Maybe it was just the m2, or the fact they had tuned the car. Who knows. I'm open to trying the new cars again.

That's the M2 manual, light and a bit sloppy (even in CS guise which has carbon synchros that make it a bit better). If you live with it often, it's something you'll start to appreciate. I had GT4 gearbox and in a car you are using all the time, the super precise gearbox becomes something that you get tired of when you just want to be lazy.

[BMWCCA1]

Originally Posted by Djhawkg79

To my knowledge, and I'm hoping you guys correct me, the last manual AND AWD 5 SERIES was produced as a 2010. I am not sure about the 4 Series or a 3 series, but I am willing to learn and look into them.

As I remember it, the last year for a 5-series manual in the USA was 2013.

[Djhawkg79]

Originally Posted by BMWCCA1

As I remember it, the last year for a 5-series manual in the USA was 2013.

Originally Posted by Djhawkg79

To my knowledge, and I'm hoping you guys correct me, the last manual AND AWD 5 SERIES was produced as a 2010. I am not sure about the 4 Series or a 3 series, but I am willing to learn and look into them.

As I remember it, the last year for a 5-series manual in the USA was 2013.


5 Series manual AND Xdrive. Don't forget the AND XDRIVE part.

[KevinM]

While this announcement really doesn't really promise too much beyond continuing the MT for the current generation G87 and G8X, I'm always happy for ANY positive press or support for MTs!

#save the manuals

[Takumi587]

Originally Posted by Onesie

Did that person leave as soon as possible?

We offered to teach him and let him try but he didn’t want to “waste time.”

I say if you have never tried it or learned it then your opinion serves little to me. I owned an F80 DCT and loved it but most likely moving to the G80 I will opt for the manual.

[Xspeedracer]

There is a big difference in replacement cost and repair cost

[BimmerXdrive]

Start collecting now gentlemen

[stefan]

[QUOTE=picaso;29453129]I drove a friends m2 in manual, and I am sorry to say, I hated it so much. The clutch was so light and the first gear was a pain to deal with and took sometime to get used to. I was very surprised coming from a Toyota the lack of crisp shifts.

While I agree it's not the best, I'm not sure what you mean by first being a pain. I usually hear complaints about 1-->2 in every bmw going back to the start of time, but that's something you quickly get used to and drive around.

[DB_Cooper]

Originally Posted by picaso

I drove a friends m2 in manual, and I am sorry to say, I hated it so much. The clutch was so light and the first gear was a pain to deal with and took sometime to get used to. I was very surprised coming from a Toyota the lack of crisp shifts.

Maybe it was just the m2, or the fact they had tuned the car. Who knows. I'm open to trying the new cars again.

It's a bmw thing.

They all have a fairly lifeless, rubbery MT vs some Japanese companies (s2000, Type R, Miata).

Not the best, certainly not the worst, consistently the same. But hey, it's an option not available from most manufacturers, so I'll take what I can get.

[csmith5888]

Originally Posted by PLF69

Best 2022 invention, best invention ever !!

Absolutely....I dont think its getting the credit it deserves. Its truly an engineering masterpiece and i hope others try to replicate this gearbox at a price tag much lower than $3.65 million.

[ThesaVeliona]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

A friend of mine test drove a 435 with manual transmission back in 2016… Looks like F3x was the last 3/4 series with manual…

Also one of the great lookers if I am honest. G2x are simply not for me. No, not due to grills. I like the old school, F3x looked awesome.

[No one]

Originally Posted by csmith5888

I think its time that Koenigsegg starts mass producing their revolutionary gearbox to allow everyone the choice between manual & auto depending on their mood in the drivers seat...

That's a bullshit fake. Here's the one to choose instead:

(just not the shitty colour, of course)!

[picaso]

[QUOTE=stefan;29454305]

Originally Posted by picaso

I drove a friends m2 in manual, and I am sorry to say, I hated it so much. The clutch was so light and the first gear was a pain to deal with and took sometime to get used to. I was very surprised coming from a Toyota the lack of crisp shifts.

While I agree it's not the best, I'm not sure what you mean by first being a pain. I usually hear complaints about 1-->2 in every bmw going back to the start of time, but that's something you quickly get used to and drive around.

I drove it for a few hours, I had to be mentally focused on making sure I got 1st to 2nd correct so as not to stall, also when changing gear had to double check that it was in place. I'm sure over time I'll get used to it, but for the amount of time I spent with it, I was very certain I didn't want the MT.

On the other hand I drove a 2017 Porsche, I was taken aback how heavy the clutch was, but I immediately was able to adapt and felt I've been driving it for months, same with a Honda (meant Honda not toyota) I drove. I think I went into driving the BMW thinking it would be similar or some positive variation. I was kinda let down tbh

[Westside Guy]

Originally Posted by ASAP

think about the weight of both of those cars

Please elaborate.

[stefan]

Originally Posted by picaso

I drove it for a few hours, I had to be mentally focused on making sure I got 1st to 2nd correct so as not to stall, also when changing gear had to double check that it was in place. I'm sure over time I'll get used to it, but for the amount of time I spent with it, I was very certain I didn't want the MT.

On the other hand I drove a 2017 Porsche, I was taken aback how heavy the clutch was, but I immediately was able to adapt and felt I've been driving it for months, same with a Honda (meant Honda not toyota) I drove. I think I went into driving the BMW thinking it would be similar or some positive variation. I was kinda let down tbh

No offense but if you are stalling *between* 1 and 2 I don't think you know how to drive manual.

[csmith5888]

Originally Posted by No one

That's a bullshit fake. Here's the one to choose instead:

(just not the shitty colour, of course)!

Lol please explain the fake part. And ya i wouldnt be mad about having to get the pagani instead....

[picaso]

Originally Posted by stefan

No offense but if you are stalling *between* 1 and 2 I don't think you know how to drive manual.

None taken, I learned driving manual in Finland, only way to get a license unless disabled. Never drove an automatic till I lived in the USA, so I have a feeling I have more of an experience driving manual than most, granted it doesn't mean I'm automatically great at it. I'd like to believe I'm though considering I track/race in manual and put in decent times if I must say.

You forget the fact this is isolated to just the BMW m2, no other car (ok I lie, stalled on the 992 gt3 with the single mass flywheel, but so did professional auto journalist the first time), honestly with time one will get used to it, but it took longer than I'd have liked and did not like the springy feel of the shift.

Why you chose to highlight one aspect without taking into account the context is strange. But oh well this is the internet.

[picaso]

Originally Posted by Onesie

I agreed with his take on your stalling from 1st to 2nd, as I can't see how you'd perform that feat.

I'm considering this a misunderstanding. What do you mean by stalling? Are talking about bucking or jerking? Or essentially the engine turning off and you having to stop, clutch in, and pushing the start-stop button again to turn it back on?

If the first, all good.
If the second, how?

I meant jerking, not smooth at all and have to modulate throttle and clutch to find that smooth balance. Yea my bad I did not mean stalling as in engine going off. I mean if you wanted to do spirited backroad driving, it took a bit to get off cos I had to be very precise with my input. The bite point was a pain to master.

With the gt3 all you had to do was give it more revs, it hated low revs, with the m2, it was so hard to find that point, had to use more muscle memory than feel. I don't know if that makes sense.

[No one]

Originally Posted by csmith5888

Lol please explain the fake part.

Koenigsegg mimics a manual transmission experience while the transmission is actually automatic. Please, don't expect me to explain what's an automatic transmission and what's a manual one.