[Artemis]

Originally Posted by 3798j

Not certain what you're trying to infer here, but if it's what it might be...an attempt to insult, here's one that you may find self enlightening.

"7 Reasons We Fall for Sociopaths"

https://goodmenproject.com/featured-...iopaths-scrol/

OK, Sir, let's check your general knowledge about putting things into perspective: which sim game is this screenshot from ?

[3798j]

Originally Posted by Artemis

OK, Sir, let's check your general knowledge about putting things into perspective: which sim game is this screenshot from ?

No idea what point you're making. This is the SIM forum.
Here's my perspective. Max is someone who feels he doesn't need to follow rules. When he thinks he's been slighted, he can only retaliate, ruining it for himself and others. Strangely, when this was pointed out, you and others found no problem with his actions.
It's his feeling of entitlement to break the rules (and the acceptance by so many like yourself) that many find abhorrent. It's as if when growing up he was taught that if the game doesn't go his way, go ahead and destroy the game.
His actions of ignoring the game's rules can't be defended. That's why he was disqualified and thrown out.
Hope this is clear...once again he's shown what a jerk he is...and coupling him to other jerks doesn't make him any less one.

[NickyC]

I know very successful people in life who are as level headed as possible, yet in online games act/sound like a punk teenager.

You should be in some of my COD squads, LOL!

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by 3798j

No idea what point you're making. This is the SIM forum.
Here's my perspective. Max is someone who feels he doesn't need to follow rules. When he thinks he's been slighted, he can only retaliate, ruining it for himself and others. Strangely, when this was pointed out, you and others found no problem with his actions.
It's his feeling of entitlement to break the rules (and the acceptance by so many like yourself) that many find abhorrent. It's as if when growing up he was taught that if the game doesn't go his way, go ahead and destroy the game.
His actions of ignoring the game's rules can't be defended. That's why he was disqualified and thrown out.
Hope this is clear...once again he's shown what a jerk he is...and coupling him to other jerks doesn't make him any less one.

Also you know that, the early days, adolescence and adult life of virtually all non-pay F1 drivers is single-mindedly dominated by racing and the requirement of results, results and results. In the end, that's what matters most to get noticed by teams and sponsors. The road to F1 success is massively competitive, ruthless and uphill. And even if the 'young hopeful' manages to become, at last, part of the select F1 elite, he risks to remain a 'disposable' for teams and their sponsors anyway. The requirement to 'deliver' shapes drivers mindsets already at a young age: 'claim your space', 'no glory for 2nd place', 'elbows out' if need be, flirting with all limits, physical and immaterial (including those of sportsmanlike behavior).

Verstappen has been trained since his toddler days to become the most complete F1 driver ever. What we are currently witnessing is the consolidation of an F1 war machine who will continue to improve to a level that will be hard to match if he keeps getting a competitive car.

Definitely no problem to criticize Verstappen - like any of us, he makes mistakes and we're all free to speak our mind. But the trouble with your narrative is that you regularly vilify Verstappen. And that's a slippery slope for unhinged conjecture, prejudiced thinking and conspiracy theories, with 'hate' as toxic end station.

You don't need to disclose why you bear a grudge against Verstappen, but likely it's not far off base to assume that, apart from some of his antics perceived as questionable (yes, he is one of the most aggressive F1 drivers that remind of Ayrton Senna's approach), your view about him risks to be clouded by frustration about the fact that he has become an immovable obstacle for success of F1 drivers you root for.

Anger is an acid that can do more harm to the vessel in which it is stored than to anything on which it is poured (Seneca). That does not apply to Verstappen only, but to all of us.

[3798j]

Well, at least Max agrees with my view...

"While Max Verstappen has always defended his father’s behavior towards him, he once admitted that it was “harsh“. After agreeing to the same, he explained in an interview at the start of this year, that he will not choose a similar kind of parenting style towards his children."

"When asked by Dutch newspaper De Limburger, Verstappen stated that he will definitely treat his children “differently” compared to his father brought him up."

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by 3798j

Well, at least Max agrees with my view...

Your view here is that Max is acting as a sociopath, that he thinks he's entitled to, and that that is a result of his upbringing.

That is not what Max agrees to, not in the links you give and the corresponding interviews.
You're filling in blanks for Max; you're speaking for someone else.
That's a stupid thing to do.

[3798j]

.https://thesportsrush.com/f1-news-th...kes-headlines/

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by 3798j

Well, at least Max agrees with my view...

Originally Posted by 3798j

.https://thesportsrush.com/f1-news-th...kes-headlines/

Tolstoy in 1897 on open-mindedness and confirmation bias:

"I know that most men—not only those considered clever, but even those who are very clever and capable of understanding most difficult scientific, mathematical or philosophic problems—can very seldom discern even the simplest and most obvious truth if it be such as to oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions they have formed, perhaps with much difficulty—conclusions of which they are proud, which they have taught to others, and on which they have built their lives."
(Leo Tolstoy, What Is Art?, Chapter XIV (opening phrase), 1897)

[3798j]

^ You've impressed by your admission of self realization...I compliment you.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by 3798j

^ You've impressed by your admission of self realization...I compliment you.

If you'd read the post in the way it was intended to be read, the compliment was included that you could be (very) clever. Don't rain on your parade.

But all jokes aside, regardless of the major difference in views and the virtual impossibility to convince each other on this topic, I appreciate that the conversation is kept civil - agree to disagree.

[Roman]

You guys are making mountains out of molehills. It was just an inchident.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Roman

You guys are making mountains out of molehills. It was just an inchident.

Yeah . But all roads lead to Rome !

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Roman

You guys are making mountains out of molehills. It was just an inchident.

Sometimes fierce competition on track can end with road rage.

2020 - world championship karting - Italy: collision on track between Luca Corberi and Paolo Ippolito. DNF for Corberi. Corberi waits next to the track to throw a front end to his competitor. Corberi attacks his competitor in the stands. Corberi's dad (owner of one of the biggest kart tracks in the world) storms in to equally attack the competitor.

Son and father both went ballistic.

Verdict: 15 year karting ban for Corberi (decision upheld in appeal).

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Whoever drives into Max then gets it back, even Stevens

I'm pretty sure MAX thought it was LEW or Ocon ..

[3798j]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Sometimes fierce competition on track can end with road rage......
Son and father both went ballistic.

A similar father/son assault...back in 2000. "Jos Verstappen and his father, Frans, were charged with assault against a man suffered a skull fracture in a karting track incident. Later, the court had found Jos and Frans guilty, but they escaped jailtime as the pair settled the case with the victim out-of-court."

https://firstsportz.com/f1-news-when...rack-incident/

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

I'm pretty sure MAX thought it was LEW or Ocon ..

Lets remember that Max was FIRST rammed off blatantly by a lunatic that should not even have been competing

[3798j]

While many felt that the Verstappens dodged punishment by buying there way out of incarceration, some years later Jos did provide some justice by beating the crap out of his father, Frans...a form of "justice served".

[stg2011]

Why is this topic in the professional motorsports forum?

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by stg2011

Why is this topic in the professional motorsports forum?

Because the LEW fans are 'still ButtHurt

#UnLeashTheLion !

[Mr Pete]

Originally Posted by Roman

You guys are making mountains out of molehills. It was just an inchident.

Hahaha arm chair psychologists forming their conclusions about a man based on a iracing incident. But zero knowledge about the actual person himself, never having once sat down with the person. Seems about right in todays world here.