[NGT2]

Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82

Volvos look minimalist and classic next to this offensive, art deco garbage from BMW. At least they’re minimalistic with clean lines. The M2, M5, X3, 7, XM, iX look ridiculous. They’ve lost all semblance of cohesiveness to the legacy. It’s sad.

I don’t mind the X3. There are details I don’t care for, but the general design is okay. I actually feel similarly about the XM.

I never felt like BMW needed to make some loud design impression. It was about having a classic, upscale design and the fact that it’s a BMW would tell you all you need to know about how it will drive, vs the competition.

[ChrisM4]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

Toyota didn’t play smart… Toyota played safe…❕

From an environment (CO2 reduction) and sales/revenue perspective the previous CEO Toyoda was 100% correct. They never should have replaced him. Toyota did play smart focusing on hybrids.

Other automakers are writing down billions in bad EV investment and slowing or cancelling other EV investment.

Small displacement turbocharged ICE with hybrid is the best path until a better technology than lithium based EV comes to market.

[NGT2]

Originally Posted by ChrisM4

From an environment (CO2 reduction) and sales/revenue perspective the previous CEO Toyoda was 100% correct. They never should have replaced him. Toyota did play smart focusing on hybrids.

Other automakers are writing down billions in bad EV investment and slowing or cancelling other EV investment.

Small displacement turbocharged ICE with hybrid is the best path until a better technology than lithium based EV comes to market.

You could argue that the best path is continuing with the modern 6 & 8 cylinder engines that we already have, which are pretty damn effficient, until something truly better AND cheaper is available. My damn M550 can get me 30 mpg on the highway and that’s an all ICE twin turbo V8!

[ChrisM4]

Originally Posted by NGT2

You could argue that the best path is continuing with the modern 6 & 8 cylinder engines that we already have, which are pretty damn effficient, until something truly better AND cheaper is available. My damn M550 can get me 30 mpg on the highway and that’s an all ICE twin turbo V8!

I’m ICE over hybrid, I just mean in comparison to full EV hybrid is better as a bridging tech to reduce CO2.

[D52M550]

Hopefully the next generation M3 will look as good as it performs!

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by D52M550

Hopefully the next generation M3 will look as good as it performs!

Don’t hold your breath. It’ll probably look like the iX and M5 had a baby.

[sg13]

Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82

Volvos look minimalist and classic next to this offensive, art deco garbage from BMW. At least they’re minimalistic with clean lines. The M2, M5, X3, 7, XM, iX look ridiculous. They’ve lost all semblance of cohesiveness to the legacy. It’s sad.

Did you intentionally miss M3 and M4? Or the whole 4 series with the grill that gave birth to the word "ugly" and started this whole BMW design fiasco? People "had to" get used to their appearance b'cos they performed well.

The only good looking cars in BMW line up at the moment are 3 series, Z4, M2 and M8. X models are okay but even looking at iX or XM makes me

Again......a personal opinion.

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by sg13

Did you intentionally miss M3 and M4? Or the whole 4 series with the grill that gave birth to the word "ugly" and started this whole BMW design fiasco? People "had to" get used to their appearance b'cos they performed well.

The only good looking cars in BMW line up at the moment are 3 series, Z4, M2 and M8. X models are okay but even looking at iX or XM makes me

Again......a personal opinion.

I was referring to the new models, and I completely forgot about how offensive the M3/4 and 4 is. We owned 2 G80 M3’s and have an iX. I get a bit disgusted every time I look at the front of my car. The M3 looks somewhat manageable with a dark color and carbon ext pack.