[BimmerMan33]

Horse carriages to ICE cars to EVs to FCVs to Flying cars

[Panscan340]

Originally Posted by Erebor

The current drivetrain tested has 1MW (1360hp) of power.
While the upcoming M3 won't have the full potential of the drivetrain, some upperclass cars will. But you're right, the M3 won't have Plaid straight line performance.
But the Plaid can't really do anything else than drive in a straight line.

Sceptisism is good, i also am a bit. But I'm also excited for this. It will be faster than G8x M3. It's not something that's impossible.

Plaid is quicker around the ring than m3. It’s an incredibly stupid comment to say it can’t do anything other than drive in a straight line.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by NickyC

Never thought I'd agree, but with new BMWs being horribly overpriced and even worse looking, I might check a Tesla out if I need another car. Performance for the price cannot be beat, and I think they even look better the current BMW lineup (which isn't a big ask honestly).

Definitely an amazing car so far

I am about to fit her with performance all season tires

[Masander]

Originally Posted by Cortexiphan

First cars looked like carriage horses on wheels.
Back minded, dim people of that era said: "Look at these sheep. They can't simulate the connection with the animal, the beautiful smell of horse shit"

Cope

[ScottyRyan2019]

It's going to be an amazing car 👍

[Erebor]

Originally Posted by Panscan340

Plaid is quicker around the ring than m3. It’s an incredibly stupid comment to say it can’t do anything other than drive in a straight line.

Is it? Plaid record lap is 7:30:90 vs the 7:28:76 of the M3. With 120% more power. It's absolutely not a stupid thing to say. A Taycan Turbo with similar power did a 7:07

[hotrod182]

Originally Posted by Erebor

Is it? Plaid record lap is 7:30:90 vs the 7:28:76 of the M3. With 120% more power. It's absolutely not a stupid thing to say. A Taycan Turbo with similar power did a 7:07

"Tesla Model S Plaid with new Track Pack sets a Nürburgring recordTesla launched its new Track Pack for Model S Plaid vehicles, and the package helped give it an edge and set a new Nürburgring lap record for a production EV at 7:25.231."
by Umar Shakir

Jun 5, 2023, 10:49 AM PDT

[Erebor]

Originally Posted by hotrod182

"Tesla Model S Plaid with new Track Pack sets a Nürburgring recordTesla launched its new Track Pack for Model S Plaid vehicles, and the package helped give it an edge and set a new Nürburgring lap record for a production EV at 7:25.231."
by Umar Shakir

Jun 5, 2023, 10:49 AM PDT

Ah, somehow Gemini didn't find that new set time. Ok, 3 seconds faster then.

[Schn3ll]

What’s the value prop for this? Dull, lifeless speed is much cheaper with a Tesla.

Speed in an EV is a rarely used party trick - buy a used Porsche manual for infinitely better value retention and fun (for a lower entry price).

This will be yet another overhyped EV flop destined for big dealer discounts.

[6SPDG82]

I think the car will look cool in the NK chassis and will probably be quite a beast performance wise. I’m on the opposite end of the spectrum (Recently bought a new ‘25 manual G82 and will eventually give that car to one of my kids when I’m too old to drive it)

Hopefully they focus a lot on weight reduction in other parts of the car. Once solid state batteries are ready we’ll see a step change in weight and charging performance.

I’d love it if you could choose your sound profile for the fake engine noise. Ie: old BMW NA inline six, F1 V10, V12, GT3 M4 etc. It would be awesome.

[hotrod182]

Originally Posted by Schn3ll

What’s the value prop for this? Dull, lifeless speed is much cheaper with a Tesla.

Speed in an EV is a rarely used party trick - buy a used Porsche manual for infinitely better value retention and fun (for a lower entry price).

This will be yet another overhyped EV flop destined for big dealer discounts.

There is actually a lot of real practical value with a performance EV. Rarely used party trick?? There are those of us who actually drive fast every day, and want to fly under the radar of law enforcement. And then on the other extreme, there are those with loud Honda Civics you can hear a block away, that sound like they are going double the speed limit when they are going under it. But that loud, uncorked Civic type R is a "driver's car." Many of us prefer effortless speed to actually drive fast, with instant throttle response. It's also nice not worrying about warming up an engine before doing full throttle acceleration bursts. Being able to go on your phone app and quickly heat or air condition your interior without running a big engine is a nice feature too. I hope there will always be plenty of loud ICE cars around as it is much more entertaining lining up next to one and hear how loudly they wail, crackle and pop, as they struggle to keep up with you. That is long as they don't draw the attention of the cops!

[FreudeamFahren18]

[QUOTE=fanofbmwe46;31845268]Why simulate what we already have? I hate that we are being forced into an EV future. I’m sure this thing will dessimate any analog BMW M… but there is something soulful, authentic, emotional, nostalgic, etc with a mechanically engineered combustion engine with analog components. How are folks who have bought M cars in the past and have a deep connection to the way they used to be coping with this new future?

As BMW already stated, the production of internal combustion engine M3 will continue.
So no one is really forcing anyone into EV. Trump has promised to roll back EV mandates
So rest easy. ICE is here to stay for now

[Panscan340]

Originally Posted by Erebor

Ah, somehow Gemini didn't find that new set time. Ok, 3 seconds faster then.

Any car that is 7:2x at the ring is doing far far more than driving fast in a straight line

[Mr. Jonathan]

Originally Posted by giphlag

Also, kudos to them for bringing us along with this video series. It shows that they care about input and you can bet that they pay close attention to feedback from customers.

I agree with the kudos. It is smart for BMW to bring enthusiasts along through the series (not sure if BMW has launched a similar media campaign for previous M models). In my mind it’s their way of acknowledging not all like the idea of or see themselves in an EV M model and attempting to win enthusiasts with $$$ over. I dont think this model will be in the middle class or low end of upper middle class market. It will probably land north of 130s MSRP. I could wrong though.

[G MONEY]

Originally Posted by 6SPDG82

I think the car will look cool in the NK chassis and will probably be quite a beast performance wise. I’m on the opposite end of the spectrum (Recently bought a new ‘25 manual G82 and will eventually give that car to one of my kids when I’m too old to drive it)

Hopefully they focus a lot on weight reduction in other parts of the car. Once solid state batteries are ready we’ll see a step change in weight and charging performance.

I’d love it if you could choose your sound profile for the fake engine noise. Ie: old BMW NA inline six, F1 V10, V12, GT3 M4 etc. It would be awesome.

I hope for that sound option also. Definitely picking the F or G series for my exhaust sound. Lol. Said absolutely no one fucking ever.

[Scrapula]

[QUOTE=Panscan340;31845254]

Originally Posted by chicagofan00

And it definitely seems like they’ll be adding in the simulated engine sounds as well based on the last couple of seconds of audio at the end. I agree, this will likely end up being the new benchmark for a performance EV.

Like beyond plaid performance ? Absolutely 0 chance. There is a near 0% chance it exceeds current m3 performance , maybe slightly in straight line perf with no way it beats it on track.

The Lucid Sapphire is beyond plaid performance plus it handles extremely well. It’s the fastest production car at the moment. All that and massaging seats. This should be what BMW is striving for.

[Suds]

This looks exciting for an electric M/car.
On the way to a track weekend, I will probably need to bring a gas generator in my diesel truck.

[6SPDG82]

Originally Posted by G MONEY

I hope for that sound option also. Definitely picking the F or G series for my exhaust sound. Lol. Said absolutely no one fucking ever.

Haha yeah the S55 is especially atrocious but The latest M4 GT3 car sounds pretty good even with a cat. (Just wish they were allowed to rev higher)

[NSX2M4]

Originally Posted by Cortexiphan

First cars looked like carriage horses on wheels.
Back minded, dim people of that era said: "Look at these sheep. They can't simulate the connection with the animal, the beautiful smell of horse shit"

Don't worry, the stench of horse shit is rapid on these EV threads.

[F32Fleet]

Originally Posted by fanofbmwe46

Why simulate what we already have? I hate that we are being forced into an EV future. I’m sure this thing will dessimate any analog BMW M… but there is something soulful, authentic, emotional, nostalgic, etc with a mechanically engineered combustion engine with analog components. How are folks who have bought M cars in the past and have a deep connection to the way they used to be coping with this new future?

They're aging out of the target market.

[F32Fleet]

Originally Posted by Panscan340

Plaid is quicker around the ring than m3. It’s an incredibly stupid comment to say it can’t do anything other than drive in a straight line.

How did it perform in the second lap?

[G MONEY]

Lol. Arguing about a 4000 lbs and a 5000 lbs cars ring times? Probably 2% of G cars every see a track and less than that for a Tesla. Make sure you get the CF roof also. It shaves off 2 seconds