[sparkyg]

Come up to Canada and do a little speeding but bring you wallet.

$12 000 dollar speeding ticket anyone?

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/edmonton/st...ding-fine.html

[Cloud9blue]

lamo! rofl! chevy cobalt!

[.:bHd:.]

Why would you pull over when you have a bike and to the above post 12k is not reasonable for a speeding ticket. The ticket probably costs more than the guys bike!! AHH i hate the law so much!

[ScotyH]

The ticket IS reasonable. It was a blatant disregard for the law.

If I were in that situation, I'd suck it up and take responsibility.

You gotta pay to play...

[pmeloche]

206 kph in a Chevy Cobalt! Now I know why Alberta is balancing its budget and paid off its provincial debt.

[The_Blob]

The only reason why the fine was so high was because the dude who had to pay the 12,000 fine got to keep his license - he made a deal with the judge. If the fine was any lower - like a few hundred to a thousand or so - he would have lost his license to drive.
There are people who have their car towed away without even speeding at all in Canada. If you have a car that's souped up, you can have it towed away because it looks like a street racing car.

[MrSteak]

You people who think that a $12,000 TICKET is justified make me sick. You're worse then those assholes who get all righteous about anything over 55mph is "breaking the law" and dangerous... when the majority of the people in this country drive above the speed limit. (whether it be 5 miles over the limit or 20 over, it's still illegal, but the police condone it to a certain degree, which is wrong.)

The speed limits are archaic, and as much as all "the assholes" want to say the law is black and white, it isn't. A guy doing 263kph alone, on an isolated stretch of road on a bike is not nearly as dangerous as a doing it on a crowded road, or even in a car. (It's like Murder... not just black & white... you have degrees, circumstances, and every situation is different.)

Hell, I know a friend who got a DUI and only had to pay $5k and that's INCLUDING lawyer fees, and IMO thats even worse than speeding. So $12k is just wrong.

[ScotyH]

Originally Posted by MrSteak

You people who think that a $12,000 TICKET is justified make me sick. You're worse then those assholes who get all righteous about anything over 55mph is "breaking the law" and dangerous... when the majority of the people in this country drive above the speed limit. (whether it be 5 miles over the limit or 20 over, it's still illegal, but the police condone it to a certain degree, which is wrong.)

The speed limits are archaic, and as much as all "the assholes" want to say the law is black and white, it isn't. A guy doing 263kph alone, on an isolated stretch of road on a bike is not nearly as dangerous as a doing it on a crowded road, or even in a car. (It's like Murder... not just black & white... you have degrees, circumstances, and every situation is different.)

Hell, I know a friend who got a DUI and only had to pay $5k and that's INCLUDING lawyer fees, and IMO thats even worse than speeding. So $12k is just wrong.

You seem to be a fine example of an increasing number of people who aren't willing to accept responsibility.

It's not like he was 20 or 30 over.

If you know what the consequences are if you break the law and you can't afford the consequences, then don't break it.

I'm not saying that I don't speed but every time I do, I realize that there may be a penalty. It's part of why driving fast is a rush.

What kind of deterrent would a fine be if he had to pay say $500?

Would that be reasonable?

[MrSteak]

Originally Posted by ScotyH

You seem to be a fine example of an increasing number of people who aren't willing to accept responsibility.

It's not like he was 20 or 30 over.

If you know what the consequences are if you break the law and you can't afford the consequences, then don't break it.

I'm not saying that I don't speed but every time I do, I realize that there may be a penalty. It's part of why driving fast is a rush.

What kind of deterrent would a fine be if he had to pay say $500?

Would that be reasonable?

First of all, the law is wrong. The speed limits were set way lower than they should be b/c cars weren't as capable back then, and the gas crisis in the 70's.

Second of all... like I said before:

Originally Posted by MrSteak

A guy doing 263kph alone, on an isolated stretch of road on a bike is not nearly as dangerous as a doing it on a crowded road, or even in a car. (It's like Murder... not just black & white... you have degrees, circumstances, and every situation is different.)

Reasonable would be basing the fine on the amount of danger in that particular setting. If the guy was doing 263kph weaving in and out of cars, then $12,000 would be reasonable, but on an isolated straight with nobody around it isn't. A set of fines that blanket every situation is wrong, sincet every situation is different. As much as the "police" and "media" want to portray speeding as worse than drunk driving and everything else under the sun, it's not. I was just in Germany, and on the autobahn I drove around freely at 140mph+, and I wasn't alone by any means. And with no speed limit on the autobahn, they still have a significantly lower death rate than most other major road ways around the world. (Given they pay higher taxes and it cost significantly more to drive there, but the state gets the money and that's all that matters.. MONEY.)


Speeding is portrayed to be more dangerous then it is, b/c it's a MAIN source of revenue for a lot of places. Aside from dumb kids who suck at driving street racing, speeding isn't the issue, it's ignorance and poor driver training. People not paying attention, making mistakes behind the wheel, or people who are inhibited in some way. (The higher rate of speed just makes it more difficult to recover from a mistake, but then again, they'd still crash doing 55, or 75). So 99% of the time there's an accident and speed is cited, it's not the speed that caused the accident, it's some other mistake... human error.

Back in like 2006 or something I read an article how the state of California raked in $700+ million in traffic fines... yeah, it's about safety . hahahahahhahahahahhaha

[TurboFan]

~125mph in a COBALT?? I didn't think they could go that fast without losing important parts of the car. Like the wheels.

[plasmasmp]

163mph isn't all that fast for some bikes, and they can get to that speed relatively quickly (within a few seconds). The problem isn't with the fast drivers, its training all the slow drivers to drive faster and pay absolute attention while they are driving. I'd rather be riding with a super cautious driver going 160mph than going 80mph with a soccer mom trying to quiet kids in the backseat while talking on a cell phone.

[The_Blob]

I remember watching the news showing an Albertan man going over 300kph in his Lambo in Alberta which he uploaded on YOUTUBE. Well, the cops saw it and they were tracking the dude down.... I don't know what happened next, and if they found him, I think he would have got the 25,000 dollar speeding ticket.

[MrSteak]

Originally Posted by plasmasmp

163mph isn't all that fast for some bikes, and they can get to that speed relatively quickly (within a few seconds). The problem isn't with the fast drivers, its training all the slow drivers to drive faster and pay absolute attention while they are driving. I'd rather be riding with a super cautious driver going 160mph than going 80mph with a soccer mom trying to quiet kids in the backseat while talking on a cell phone.

Well said.

[ScotyH]

Maybe we could come up with a formula for fines that takes into account;

Where you were speeding

How much over the limit you were going

How many other people were around

What you were driving

If you had any passengers

Past driving record

Ambient temperature

Quality of tires

Time of day

Income

Now that would be awesome. Like our court system isn't backed up enough.

I still maintain that if you can't afford to speed.... then don't.

I don't get what is so difficult to grasp in regards to this crazy concept.

[MTV]

Originally Posted by MrSteak

You people who think that a $12,000 TICKET is justified make me sick. You're worse then those assholes who get all righteous about anything over 55mph is "breaking the law" and dangerous... when the majority of the people in this country drive above the speed limit. (whether it be 5 miles over the limit or 20 over, it's still illegal, but the police condone it to a certain degree, which is wrong.)

The speed limits are archaic, and as much as all "the assholes" want to say the law is black and white, it isn't. A guy doing 263kph alone, on an isolated stretch of road on a bike is not nearly as dangerous as a doing it on a crowded road, or even in a car. (It's like Murder... not just black & white... you have degrees, circumstances, and every situation is different.)

Hell, I know a friend who got a DUI and only had to pay $5k and that's INCLUDING lawyer fees, and IMO thats even worse than speeding. So $12k is just wrong.

+1

[sparkyg]

An interesting discussion, unfortunately we have created road laws for the worst of the drivers and created rules to prevent anyone of the of the worst drivers from hurting anyone else.

What we need, more stringent driver training, more tiers of licenses for new drivers and more structure to getting a driving license. Better drivers=better laws of the road.

My Cdn $0.02

[ScotyH]

Originally Posted by sparkyg

An interesting discussion, unfortunately we have created road laws for the worst of the drivers and created rules to prevent anyone of the of the worst drivers from hurting anyone else.

What we need, more stringent driver training, more tiers of licenses for new drivers and more structure to getting a driving license. Better drivers=better laws of the road.

My Cdn $0.02

I agree completely, unfortunately there's along road ahead of us.

The quality of drivers here is absurd.

[Expired]

Originally Posted by ScotyH

You seem to be a fine example of an increasing number of people who aren't willing to accept responsibility.

It's not like he was 20 or 30 over.

If you know what the consequences are if you break the law and you can't afford the consequences, then don't break it.

I'm not saying that I don't speed but every time I do, I realize that there may be a penalty. It's part of why driving fast is a rush.

What kind of deterrent would a fine be if he had to pay say $500?

Would that be reasonable?

There's a difference between accepting responsibility and being taken advantage of..

RIAA vs. 30 Yr old Single Mother. $222,000 for downloading 24 songs, of course it's well in reason, she was breaking the law. (Sarcasm)

Side Note: The internet belongs to all, not just the United States. The RIAA can prosecute anything tangible for all I care.. The internet is however not tangible.. and for them to say that they lose so much from p2p and piracy is ridiculous, because it is only an estimate. Not fact. I can guarantee that if the internet didn't exist and someone wanted a cd, they would still get it from their friend(Pirate) instead of buying it.

It's funny because in this bike situation, I'm sure that if you asked all of the people that live around where he was at the time(Closest people to being involved), they wouldn't care because nobody was on the road.
The Government is pretty much like the RIAA, they only get involved because it effects them mostly. A good majority of the bands she downloaded songs by I'm sure don't care that she did. I'm sure they are actually glad because she is getting their name out their, by most likely sharing the music with others. Then those people will probably go to the bands show whenever they come to town, and end up buying merch as well. Bands don't make enough money off of CD sales, almost all of it goes to the label, while bands make most of their money off of shows and merch.
After all, why would bands care when they make money off of the people. Without us, they wouldn't make anything. (I'm sure the only bands that care are the ones that suck.. A good band sells it self, which is also another problem.. The music industry is flooded with shitty bands trying to make it big, taking whatever they can get.)
The Government doesn't prosecute for the people with the people in mind, to keep them safe and etc.. The same as the RIAA doesn't prosecute for the bands involved, it's more worried about itself, the big record labels.

-Nathan

[Desi]

This is an extreme case, in Ontario it's pretty damned easy to get yourself a $10,000 fine, license suspension and get your car impounded. Just do 50km/h or 31mph over the limit and bam, you are "street racing" and they'll throw the book at you...

[MrSteak]

Originally Posted by ScotyH

Maybe we could come up with a formula for fines that takes into account;

Where you were speeding

How much over the limit you were going

How many other people were around

What you were driving

If you had any passengers

Past driving record

Ambient temperature

Quality of tires

Time of day

Income

Now that would be awesome. Like our court system isn't backed up enough.

I still maintain that if you can't afford to speed.... then don't.

I don't get what is so difficult to grasp in regards to this crazy concept.

The law shouldn't be based on profit. These troopers are meter maids with fast cars (well, not that fast ). If they attached a hefty fine to jaywalking, would that be reasonable? Even if nobody was around in the middle of the night?

The only reason the court system is backed up is b/c over the years it's been turned into a business like any other. It barley has anything to do with the law, or safety anymore.... it's all about money. Just think about all the times you're driving late at night and see a cop with his radar gun on... he's not gonna catch drunk drivers that way. If it were about safety, they'd ACTUALLY crack down on DUI's, and enforce stricter driver training. But that would cost money, NOT make money. (Although it would be getting back to keeping the public safer.) The truth is... the more people they can get on licensed and on the roads (with the bare minimum of training) the more money the state/government will make off of em. (registrations, inspections, DMV fees, tickets, insurance, fines = MONEY)