[Artemis]

Reminds of the cause of the Rubens Barrichello crash with his Williams in Monaco 2010: contact with a drain.

[M5Rick]

No time for sleep at Vegas as it will be 02.30AM in Vegas when the Practice resumes, wondering what the track temp is.

[Artemis]

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Reminds of the cause of the Rubens Barrichello crash with his Williams in Monaco 2010: contact with a drain.

Bad move by Barrichello throwing his steering wheel onto the track after his drain cover collision.

[GuidoK]

So what I understand is that SAI is gonna get a penalty for swapping the parts.
The stewards seached but they say that within the ruleset there is no room for exception, even in this strange situation.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

So what I understand is that SAI is gonna get a penalty for swapping the parts.
The stewards seached but they say that within the ruleset there is no room for exception, even in this strange situation.

Correct, stewards being 'absurd' in penalising Carlo for each component that is being replaced as there is no leeway at all from the stewards whatever the reasons.
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/24927...ine-parts.html

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by m5rick

correct, stewards being 'absurd' in penalising carlo for each component that is being replaced as there is no leeway.
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/24927...ine-parts.html

[M5Rick]

Looks like SAI's car IS ready for him to take part in FP and is shrugging off the penalties applied to him by the tough standing stewards.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Artemis

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SAI will have an 10 place grid drop for the main race after the component penalties were applied.
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...00NvBjDbp.html

[M5Rick]

The temp is 14C at the circuit so not too bad as the track gets slowly quicker with LEC putting in a real belter for that one lap advantage he thinks he has, setting himself up for quali? Max seems to be saving things for the moment with long runs on the mediums, that said he dives in for some old softs..and then for more mediums.

[Car-Addicted]

A shit show for sure. I have a very bad feeling about this. If the main fix to the issue of manhole covers and drains was to cap then with a layer of asphalt and call it done we are in for a terrible weekend. I can't even imagine how many drain, sewage and water access points are in Las Vegas. I would love to be a fly on the wall in the Drivers meeting, it will make Frédéric Vasseur reaction look like podium celebration.

I couldn't wait out FP2 so I had to go to bed and who the heck knows what ESPN is going to do about this. I have not seen any coverage on FP2.
Even F1.com is not reporting?
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...9rUJUiwPq.html

[Car-Addicted]

Just popped up.
FP2: Leclerc leads Sainz and Alonso during second practice in Las Vegas
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...9GbWlRJSJ.html

I think the reporter need to get to bed early as this is pretty much worthless.

If "Sainz – braced for a 10-place grid penalty after changes to his power unit" This will be a Max Mosley level of FIA stupidity. Not only should he not be penalized but the FIA should pick up the cost of the repairs and cut Ferrari a check.

[Car-Addicted]

2023 FIA Formula 1 Las Vegas Grand Prix *– Free Practice 2
1 Charles Leclerc Ferrari 1:35.265 39 234.331
2 Carlos Sainz Ferrari 1:35.782 0.517 39 233.066
3 Fernando Alonso Aston Martin/Mercedes 1:35.793 0.528 38 233.039
4 Sergio Pérez Red Bull/Honda RBPT 1:36.085 0.820 36 232.331
5 Valtteri Bottas Alfa Romeo/Ferrari 1:36.129 0.864 36 232.225
6 Max Verstappen Red Bull/Honda RBPT 1:36.183 0.918 37 232.095
7 Nico Hülkenberg Haas/Ferrari 1:36.489 1.224 33 231.359
8 Lance Stroll Aston Martin/Mercedes 1:36.496 1.231 41 231.342
9 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 1:36.663 1.398 42 230.942
10 Alexander Albon Williams/Mercedes 1:36.688 1.423 42 230.882
11 Lando Norris McLaren/Mercedes 1:36.864 1.599 33 230.463
12 George Russell Mercedes 1:36.890 1.625 37 230.401
13 Kevin Magnussen Haas/Ferrari 1:36.917 1.652 37 230.337
14 Oscar Piastri McLaren/Mercedes 1:36.987 1.722 35 230.171
15 Pierre Gasly Alpine/Renault 1:37.134 1.869 33 229.822
16 Esteban Ocon Alpine/Renault 1:37.241 1.976 37 229.569
17 Yuki Tsunoda AlphaTauri/Honda RBPT 1:37.412 2.147 41 229.166
18 Zhou Guanyu Alfa Romeo/Ferrari 1:37.656 2.391 36 228.594
19 Daniel Ricciardo AlphaTauri/Honda RBPT 1:37.680 2.415 40 228.538
20 Logan Sargeant Williams/Mercedes 1:38.140 2.875 42 227.46

https://www.fia.com/news/f1-leclerc-...-strip-circuit

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

2023 FIA Formula 1 Las Vegas Grand Prix *– Free Practice 2
1 Charles Leclerc Ferrari 1:35.265 39 234.331
2 Carlos Sainz Ferrari 1:35.782 0.517 39 233.066
3 Fernando Alonso Aston Martin/Mercedes 1:35.793 0.528 38 233.039
4 Sergio Pérez Red Bull/Honda RBPT 1:36.085 0.820 36 232.331
5 Valtteri Bottas Alfa Romeo/Ferrari 1:36.129 0.864 36 232.225
6 Max Verstappen Red Bull/Honda RBPT 1:36.183 0.918 37 232.095
7 Nico Hülkenberg Haas/Ferrari 1:36.489 1.224 33 231.359
8 Lance Stroll Aston Martin/Mercedes 1:36.496 1.231 41 231.342
9 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 1:36.663 1.398 42 230.942
10 Alexander Albon Williams/Mercedes 1:36.688 1.423 42 230.882
11 Lando Norris McLaren/Mercedes 1:36.864 1.599 33 230.463
12 George Russell Mercedes 1:36.890 1.625 37 230.401
13 Kevin Magnussen Haas/Ferrari 1:36.917 1.652 37 230.337
14 Oscar Piastri McLaren/Mercedes 1:36.987 1.722 35 230.171
15 Pierre Gasly Alpine/Renault 1:37.134 1.869 33 229.822
16 Esteban Ocon Alpine/Renault 1:37.241 1.976 37 229.569
17 Yuki Tsunoda AlphaTauri/Honda RBPT 1:37.412 2.147 41 229.166
18 Zhou Guanyu Alfa Romeo/Ferrari 1:37.656 2.391 36 228.594
19 Daniel Ricciardo AlphaTauri/Honda RBPT 1:37.680 2.415 40 228.538
20 Logan Sargeant Williams/Mercedes 1:38.140 2.875 42 227.46

https://www.fia.com/news/f1-leclerc-...-strip-circuit

Long wait to FP3 at 04.30AM here..Ough!

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Just popped up.
FP2: Leclerc leads Sainz and Alonso during second practice in Las Vegas
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...9GbWlRJSJ.html

I think the reporter need to get to bed early as this is pretty much worthless.

If "Sainz – braced for a 10-place grid penalty after changes to his power unit" This will be a Max Mosley level of FIA stupidity. Not only should he not be penalized but the FIA should pick up the cost of the repairs and cut Ferrari a check.

This is outrageous and to put the boot in the stews' grid drop penalised SAI also on top of telling the team to foot the bill for the chassis, PU and electronics !!

[M5Rick]

Charlie after his FP2
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=bo...8DjXWyWuc,st:0

[3798j]

As Brundle intimated..."You're traveling through another dimension, a dimension not only of sight and sound but of mind. A journey into a wondrous land whose boundaries are that of imagination." Imagine, if you will...A free practice with no one in the stands. I'd want a refund.

[Artemis]

Vowles, Wolff, Vasseur and Brown post FP1 interview.

Vasseur is angry but remains composed during his interventions when asked about the drain cover accident (quite understandably he sweared at 01:24 and 13:08 about the penalty handed down to Sainz) - see first 3 minutes, from 12:00 onwards and from 15:08 onwards.

Wolff gets upset in the section starting at 24:08, praising the organization of the event.

Annoyed about being questioned regarding the accident and safety, they repeatedly praise the organization and event sponsors with marketing yadda-yadda.

Wolff tried to cool Vasseur but the latter legitimately replied: "Toto, but you would be upset in my situation." (01:44) Too bad no journalist had the guts to ask Wolff straightup how he would have reacted if Hamilton or Russell had been hit with substantial car damage and a 10 positions grid drop as a result of getting hit by a loose drain cover on track. The battle for P2 in the WCC between Mercedes and Ferrari is 20 points. If the 10 positions grid drop for Sainz is not withdrawn, Mercedes gets a good chance of securing the #2 in the WCC already in Las Vegas.

Vasseur confided that during testing in Bahrain early 2023 he already realized that Verstappen would dominate the 2023 season (27:22).

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by 3798j

As Brundle intimated..."You're traveling through another dimension, a dimension not only of sight and sound but of mind. A journey into a wondrous land whose boundaries are that of imagination." Imagine, if you will...A free practice with no one in the stands. I'd want a refund.

Technically, a nightmare is also a dream.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

Indeed it may or may not change the outcome.
But I think when 500 million is at stake, there's also the matter of 'reducing risks anywhere you can'.
But we'll see.
They might find a way to solve this is such a manner that no manhole will ever come off (makes you think why they didn't do that in the first place...).
I don't even know if it was the manhole cover, or the manhole cover including the surrounding frame it sits in...

But I think it's pretty safe to say that the aerodynamic pull force coming from the cars/floor/front wing was the cause of the manhole rising up. It's not an external problem I think (like pressure building up in the sewers underneath or so, pushing the manhole up). At least not that I heard.

The air flow through the 'Venturi tunnels " actually work like a vacuum cleaner .

Venturi tunnels on Formula 1 cars are sections carved into the floor of the car, creating a constricted area under the car through which air is accelerated. This accelerated air creates an area of low pressure, and this "effectively creates a suction effect under the car, generating downforce"
Think Sainz was very lucky at that moment , who wants to get a metal drain cover hitting your cars floor at 200 + MPH !

Worst case scenario : This could have been a fatal accident !

[M5Rick]

FP2 highlights.

[Artemis]

The drain cover impact and its aftermath.