[Car-Addicted]

A Max Verstappen, Carlos Sainz, Christian Horner and Adrian Newey Red Bull Racing will ruin F1. But who cares, the FIA ruined Formula One with 2026 rules package when it becomes Formula E with a engine.

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by G MONEY

This to me is the biggest problem. All the talk after races is about who finished 7-11. Take this race. From 3rd place on its over 20 seconds and climbs. 9th was like 50
Seconds�� and 10th is a lap down. Wake me up when the top three finish within 5 seconds. Or it’s a drag race for the win or a pass on the last lap. For fucks sake. Do it on purpose for 1 race. After race 12 all the titles will be wrapped up so they can plan to have someone pass Max on the last lap, do something!! The drama at Red Bull is way more interesting than the races That Ain’t Good. This is coming from a long time fan. I do love the sport, For everything about it. But you need a competitive race once in a blue. It pathetic right now. SAD

Sorry, but if you really claim to be a long time fan of the sport, you either haven't been paying attention, or you have a serious memory problem, because what F1 era you want, has never happened. So you might just as well stop watching it.
I mean, if you think 10th place gets lapped is a big gap, lets go down memory lane.
Lets look at each 5th race of the years 1985, 1990, 1995 2000, 2005, 2010, 2015 and 2020....
1985: canadian GP: 7th car was 1 lap down, 9th car was 2 laps down etc
1990: canadian GP: 10th car was already 3 laps down...
1995: monaco GP: 10th car was 6(!) laps down....
2000: spanish GP: 7th to 13th car was 1 lap down, 14th was 2 laps down
2005: spanish GP: again, 7th car and lower 1 lap down
2010: spanish GP: 9th car was 1 lap down
2015: spanish GP: 7th car and beyond: 1 lap down
2020: silverstone GP: 14th car 1 lap down.

So you see, if you really are the long term fan, you'd know that in the past the differences between cars was way bigger than it is in modern times. Only since the last few years (say 1 or 1.5 decade) cars finish much closer. There's a reason in the late 90's the 1.07 rule was put into place...nowadays that would seem ridiculous but back then that was a real benchmark.
So it is pretty much the opposite what is happening compared what you think is happening.
But I understand it's hard when you have to focus on whats happening at 9th place. If that's the only thing that counts, indeed you might be better off watching the weather channel.

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

Sorry, but if you really claim to be a long time fan of the sport, you either haven't been paying attention, or you have a serious memory problem, because what F1 era you want, has never happened. So you might just as well stop watching it.
I mean, if you think 10th place gets lapped is a big gap, lets go down memory lane.
Lets look at each 5th race of the years 1985, 1990, 1995 2000, 2005, 2010, 2015 and 2020....
1985: canadian GP: 7th car was 1 lap down, 9th car was 2 laps down etc
1990: canadian GP: 10th car was already 3 laps down...
1995: monaco GP: 10th car was 6(!) laps down....
2000: spanish GP: 7th to 13th car was 1 lap down, 14th was 2 laps down
2005: spanish GP: again, 7th car and lower 1 lap down
2010: spanish GP: 9th car was 1 lap down
2015: spanish GP: 7th car and beyond: 1 lap down
2020: silverstone GP: 14th car 1 lap down.

So you see, if you really are the long term fan, you'd know that in the past the differences between cars was way bigger than it is in modern times. Only since the last few years (say 1 or 1.5 decade) cars finish much closer. There's a reason in the late 90's the 1.07 rule was put into place...nowadays that would seem ridiculous but back then that was a real benchmark.
So it is pretty much the opposite what is happening compared what you think is happening.
But I understand it's hard when you have to focus on whats happening at 9th place. If that's the only thing that counts, indeed you might be better off watching the weather channel.

People don't want to acknowledge that F1 since 2022 is and has been the most competitive it has ever been in history. The field is as close to parity as you likely will get, with budgets the same, and in fact less testing for top teams. If you went back even more, Jim Clark used to win races by 300-400 seconds before the second place finisher.

[G MONEY]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

Sorry, but if you really claim to be a long time fan of the sport, you either haven't been paying attention, or you have a serious memory problem, because what F1 era you want, has never happened. So you might just as well stop watching it.
I mean, if you think 10th place gets lapped is a big gap, lets go down memory lane.
Lets look at each 5th race of the years 1985, 1990, 1995 2000, 2005, 2010, 2015 and 2020....
1985: canadian GP: 7th car was 1 lap down, 9th car was 2 laps down etc
1990: canadian GP: 10th car was already 3 laps down...
1995: monaco GP: 10th car was 6(!) laps down....
2000: spanish GP: 7th to 13th car was 1 lap down, 14th was 2 laps down
2005: spanish GP: again, 7th car and lower 1 lap down
2010: spanish GP: 9th car was 1 lap down
2015: spanish GP: 7th car and beyond: 1 lap down
2020: silverstone GP: 14th car 1 lap down.

So you see, if you really are the long term fan, you'd know that in the past the differences between cars was way bigger than it is in modern times. Only since the last few years (say 1 or 1.5 decade) cars finish much closer. There's a reason in the late 90's the 1.07 rule was put into place...nowadays that would seem ridiculous but back then that was a real benchmark.
So it is pretty much the opposite what is happening compared what you think is happening.
But I understand it's hard when you have to focus on whats happening at 9th place. If that's the only thing that counts, indeed you might be better off watching the weather channel.

I guess as I get older it’s finally worn me out. I thought it was cool when HAM was reeling off chip after chip but after 5 I was
Like ,WTF is the point of watching? They always keep you sucked in with the Driver drama, that’s for sure. Maybe I should just start throwing 50G’s on MaX every week to spice up my viewing
Pleasure. Again. I don’t give 2 shits if the leader has 17 cars 10 laps down. As long as 2nd &. 3rd are within striking distance. Just as I said in the first post. At this point I will be happy with 1 fucking close finish. Is that to much to ask for? Lol.

[Marcoose]

There are a few measures --at zero cost to teams, race promoters, F1, FIA, fans, etc-- to close the pack even more.

- Reduce/remove ballast
- Remove tyre constraints
- Remove max fuel flow rate
- Remove battery recharge and discharge constraints
- Make DRS available everywhere

Say, for example, after race 2, the last team in the constructors championship gets all these (and other) aids. The second to last gets all but one aid. And so on. Even if with all aids the worst team is 2 seconds per lap faster, for one, I highly doubt they will win the race, and if they do, good of us spectators, and two, it will only be for one race because at the next race they will not be at the bottom of the championship.

It would make for far less boring races. My 2 cents.

[G30M]

[G30M]

Real reason LS crashed, saw max in his mirrors

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by g21

Crazy to think that Per runs nearly the perfect lap, hits higher speeds than Max at certain turns yet still loses out. Just shows you that Max's driving style and the line(s) he takes are a part of the difference. On top of that Max did say there was more in it for him, so I think Per doing a near perfect lap for him but Max not fully optimizing the lap which could be down to setup - I don't think Max has dialed the car in fully yet (in any of the 4 races so far) and while it is not quite to his liking look how he performs. His adaptability is astonishing. I am glad Per is showing what he is capable of though and like seeing the 1-2 finishes. They have now tied Prost and Senna for the most 1-2 finishes at 14.

[Autobacs]

Originally Posted by g21

Real reason LS crashed, saw max in his mirrors

It has to be the money that Sargaent might be bringing in that made Williams keep him.

I think its in between sad and pathetic that he is still racing. Can't imagine what his mindset is right now.

To be fair, RIC is in a worse situation.

[Artemis]

Penelope and Max at the Japanese GP.

Sweet that she also greets Perez ("Checooo !") after the finish.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by G MONEY

This to me is the biggest problem. All the talk after races is about who finished 7-11. Take this race. From 3rd place on its over 20 seconds and climbs. 9th was like 50
Seconds🤣 and 10th is a lap down. Wake me up when the top three finish within 5 seconds. Or it’s a drag race for the win or a pass on the last lap. For fucks sake. Do it on purpose for 1 race. After race 12 all the titles will be wrapped up so they can plan to have someone pass Max on the last lap, do something!! The drama at Red Bull is way more interesting than the races That Ain’t
Good. This is coming from a long time fan. I do love the sport, For everything about it. But you need a competitive race once in a blue. It pathetic right now. SAD

The Mercedes dominance was even worse !
-Portugal 2020-
Only 2 drivers were not lapped . The rest of the field was lapped !

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

The Mercedes dominance was even worse !
-Portugal 2020-
Only 2 drivers were not lapped . The rest of the field was lapped !

That's the way I remember it. The two MB's would streak off into the distance never to be seen again. It was literally two different races.

[G30M]

Originally Posted by Autobacs

I think its in between sad and pathetic that he is still racing. Can't imagine what his mindset is right now.

To be fair, RIC is in a worse situation.

no way. i'd look at others who have been racing for over a decade before looking at Logan who is racing his 2nd season i think.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Autobacs

It has to be the money that Sargaent might be bringing in that made Williams keep him.

I think its in between sad and pathetic that he is still racing. Can't imagine what his mindset is right now.

To be fair, RIC is in a worse situation.

Sargeant is still a rookie and the Williams is set up too skittish for him, more for highest straight speed than turn stability.
RIC was just unlucky he got caught up in a squeeze and looking at it again Albon pushed too much, backing out too late again trying too hard on the first lap especially seeing its under pressure RIC there and knowing the team's weakness with no spare tub as yet.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

The Mercedes dominance was even worse !
-Portugal 2020-
Only 2 drivers were not lapped . The rest of the field was lapped !

Chas over a minute down and VET
4 times champ in Ferrari, must be the vegan beans already and 'getting it on' with the EV F1 hyptnotization, WTF is he on ''bring back the f* V12's'

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by G MONEY

Again. I don’t give 2 shits if the leader has 17 cars 10 laps down. As long as 2nd &. 3rd are within striking distance. Just as I said in the first post. At this point I will be happy with 1 fucking close finish. Is that to much to ask for? Lol.

Yes that's too much to ask for. With F1, the differences are made in the race, not at the finish.
The few races where there is a close finish, that's usually a result of a SC really late in the race.
And indeed sometimes that happens. Last one was the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP. P1-P4 finished within 6 seconds.
You've must have loved that race .
A rare occasion of such a close finish.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by G MONEY

This to me is the biggest problem. All the talk after races is about who finished 7-11. Take this race. From 3rd place on its over 20 seconds and climbs. 9th was like 50 Seconds🤣 and 10th is a lap down. Wake me up when the top three finish within 5 seconds. Or it’s a drag race for the win or a pass on the last lap. For fucks sake. Do it on purpose for 1 race. After race 12 all the titles will be wrapped up so they can plan to have someone pass Max on the last lap, do something!! The drama at Red Bull is way more interesting than the races That Ain’t Good. This is coming from a long time fan. I do love the sport, For everything about it. But you need a competitive race once in a blue. It pathetic right now. SAD

Sing o' the times:

"You Now Have a Shorter Attention Span Than a Goldfish"
Time - May 15, 2015
https://time.com/3858309/attention-spans-goldfish/
"The average attention span for the notoriously ill-focused goldfish is nine seconds, but according to a new study from Microsoft Corp., people now generally lose concentration after eight seconds, highlighting the affects of an increasingly digitalized lifestyle on the brain."

After TL;DR (too long; didn't read), apparenty now also TL;DW (too long; didn't watch).

The 'torture' of sitting out a ± 300 km race during ± 100 minutes (used to be 600 to 800 km ranging up to 4 hours of racing on some circuits in the early years) and the disappointment when no spectacular crash happened.

Fair enough, there's still the "Sprint" and "Highlights" as pacifiers for the limited-attention span generation.

• Longest race: 200 laps - 804.672 km (500 mi): United States 1951, 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955, 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960 Indianapolis 500
• Longest non-Indianapolis 500 race: 77 laps - 601.832 km (373.961 mi): France 1951 French Grand Prix
• Longest race without a red flag: 3 h 57 min 38.050 s: United States 1951 Indianapolis 500.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

Yes that's too much to ask for. With F1, the differences are made in the race, not at the finish.
The few races where there is a close finish, that's usually a result of a SC really late in the race.
And indeed sometimes that happens. Last one was the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP. P1-P4 finished within 6 seconds.
You've must have loved that race .
A rare occasion of such a close finish.

It was close and...why not

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

It was close and...why not

Thank you MAX !!!

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Thank you MAX !!!

No one can forget that.

In this 'where are drivers going' vid SAI reckons Ferrari will be at RBR's level at mid season which is usual the fighting talk though he fails to mention at Checo's or MAX's level @13:00

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

It was close and...why not

The F1 world witnessed that very December day in Abu Dhabi back in 2021 the dethroning of the reigning king and the crowning of the new king.

Silverstone or no Silverstone (2021), Monza or no Monza (2021), Abu Dhabi Masi or no Abu Dhabi Masi (2021): Verstappen still required the race craft and shrewdness to overtake (with a sudden cramp in his right leg) in a "do or die" shootout lap, with a sportsmanlike maneuver, on a circuit with limited obvious overtaking possibilities, Hamilton, the reigning 7-time WDC legend driving a Mercedes rocket who was perfectly aware that he was race leader (but, due to a questionable team strategy choice, on used hard tires) and only 1 lap away from ultimate 8-time WDC record bliss. Beating Verstappen that day in the shootout lap would have been one of his most memorable and monumental victories of his whole race career.

But despite his vast racing experience and knowledge of all tricks of the race book, Hamilton misjudged the timing of Verstappen's overtaking attempt: the fact that Verstappen (P2) managed to surprise and pip Hamilton (P1) already in Turn 5, going all-in without further ado and in a fair way, demonstrates that Verstappen deserved the 2021 WDC title. From the footage of the shootout lap you can conclude that Hamilton did not expect an overtake attempt in Turn 5 - Verstappen caught him off guard, compromising Hamilton's exit speed out of Turn 5 (an aspect that proved to be crucial for the rest of the road to the chequered flag). Verstappen knew that there would be no DRS during the shootout lap and that, unlike his car, Hamilton's car still featered used tires. Outsmarting your rivals is part of the sport - to boss a living race legend fair and square during a crucial final lap, is a claim to fame.

The final outcome did justice to all achievements throughout the whole 2021 season (featuring missed oportunities due to DNF's in Baku [tire failure], Silverstone [controversial crash with Hamilton] and Monza [controversial crash with Hamilton]). And later achievements, albeit with new regs requiring new cars and also requiring teams and drivers to adapt to the new reality, confirmed that the 2021 transfer of WDC leadership didn't happen by accident: compare the number of pole positions, fastest laps, race wins and Sprint wins between both rivals ever since the 2021 season: we all know that the discrepancy of the statistics is outright massive.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

The 2021 Abu Dhabi race was a rollercoaster of emotions.