[yco]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Mate . On the other hand : Where would Lewis be "without" the strongest and fastest car of the field ?

i dont know mate since motorsports includes the machinery..
but as i ve said many times before he was winning without having the best car as well throughout his career.. its not super hard these days i agree though.. life.. just like some period Schumi had...

[243Racing]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Mate . On the other hand : Where would Lewis be "without" the strongest and fastest car of the field ?

I don't think there's any doubt he's in the top tier of drivers. He just was lucky enough to be at Merc when the regs changed and somehow they were (And still are) the only team who put out an amazing car. RB's chassis is great, Ferrari had a year where they cheated and got close to the Merc's performance, but Mercedes' utter domination of the turbo hybrid era will definitely go down in history. Lewis got lucky twice: Once just being in the right seat at the right time, and then with Rosberg's sudden retirement, there wasn't a tier 1 driver available to fill the seat.

Are we going to pretend that Vettel, Alonso, or heck even Verstappen or Ricciardo wouldn't have won 5 WDCs at Mercedes?

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by BeastieBombRacing

I don't think there's any doubt he's in the top tier of drivers. He just was lucky enough to be at Merc when the regs changed and somehow they were (And still are) the only team who put out an amazing car. RB's chassis is great, Ferrari had a year where they cheated and got close to the Merc's performance, but Mercedes' utter domination of the turbo hybrid era will definitely go down in history. Lewis got lucky twice: Once just being in the right seat at the right time, and then with Rosberg's sudden retirement, there wasn't a tier 1 driver available to fill the seat.

Are we going to pretend that Vettel, Alonso, or heck even Verstappen or Ricciardo wouldn't have won 5 WDCs at Mercedes?

Mate I have to say "Yes & No"

"No" Because : As you know Red Bull is struggling seriously with the RB16's chassis and balance .
By the crash from MAX they had to replace the nose, front wing and parts of the right front wheel suspension . And suddenly the car felt better , but they don't know why ...
I said the day before the race that the RB16's behaviour was unpredictable and dangerous to get a crash . And it was a crash even before the race began.
Probably RB changed too much at once regarding the chassis and aerodynamics . Let us hope they can figure it out @Silverstone .
Of course the HONDA's PU comes still too short in power vs the Mercs PU .

A strong battle from MAX vs Lewis would be the ultimate race !

[rcracin]

Originally Posted by BeastieBombRacing

No, it's because of Lewis' driving ability that the Merc is what? 13kph faster on the relatively short straight at Austria?

Idiot.

stay classy bruh

[tdott]

Originally Posted by BeastieBombRacing

Are we going to pretend that Vettel, Alonso, or heck even Verstappen or Ricciardo wouldn't have won 5 WDCs at Mercedes?

I would say that Hamilton could have won a WC at Ferrari during Vettel's tenure there, esp last year.

[msk340i]

Originally Posted by tdott

I would say that Hamilton could have won a WC at Ferrari during Vettel's tenure there, esp last year.

Where did you get your crystal ball from?

[msk340i]

Originally Posted by yco

oh we re back to Ham is winning only because of his car topic.. ok..

I think he's winning because he's talented but he's annihilating opposition because of his car. Or vice versa.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by tdott

I would say that Hamilton could have won a WC at Ferrari during Vettel's tenure there, esp last year.

Mate . I couldn't agree more .

If Lewis could be WC last year with Ferrari ?
That's for sure mate !

But only if he could run the whole '19 season with the "Ferrari Jet-Mode" !

[rcracin]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Mate . I couldn't agree more .

If Lewis could be WC last year with Ferrari ?
That's for sure mate !

But only if he could run the whole '19 season with the "Ferrari Jet-Mode" !

Na. I genuinely think Lewis at Ferrari in 2017 would’ve won.

[tdott]

Originally Posted by msk340i

Where did you get your crystal ball from?

Same place all these crystal ball questions come from.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by msk340i

I think he's winning because he's talented but he's annihilating opposition because of his car. Or vice versa.

Amazing car no doubt he doesn't even look up when it's go definitely human ESP he has.

[///M Power-Belgium]

"Is Merc cheating again with a radar system to outsmart the starting lights" ?

According the latest ! => https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/63715...g-lights-.html

It's not surprising that Mercedes has been the top team for the past seven years. Every time the team knows how to come up with something new in order to be the boss of the competition. The last trick was the DAS system. Now it seems as if Mercedes is also anticipating the start lights for an even faster start.

It's another very clever trick if it turns out to be true, but according to former F1-driver Robert Doornbos Mercedes might be trying to anticipate the start lights. This might enable the team to bypass the two-tenths human reaction speed.

The slow-motion images show three red lights on the Finn's steering wheel. All three are on when the start lights above the grid are at four. The images show that Valtteri Bottas isn't looking at the big lights, but at his steering wheel. As soon as the lights on his steering wheel go out the Mercedes makes a run for it.

The problem of Bottas was that he saw above him just in time that the lights were still on. He had to get off the gas to avoid a false start. But if Doornbos is right Mercedes was very close to a good anticipation, because a millisecond later the lights indeed went out !

Lewis did it great with the new system ,his car took off like a bullet and won at least one sec. in the first straight at the start

[msk340i]

Originally Posted by tdott

Same place all these crystal ball questions come from.

It was Vettel who once answered a journalist "I've got two balls and none of them is crystal" 😂

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by msk340i

It was Vettel who once answered a journalist "I've got two balls and none of them is crystal" 😂

Haha good 'ol VET has the sense of humour.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by msk340i

It was Vettel who once answered a journalist "I've got two balls and none of them is crystal" 😂

You sure mate ?

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

You sure mate ?

He'll need them with Stroll's dad if joining AM when he says LET MY SON WIN..or else

[yco]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

"Is Merc cheating again with a radar system to outsmart the starting lights" ?

According the latest ! => https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/63715...g-lights-.html

It's not surprising that Mercedes has been the top team for the past seven years. Every time the team knows how to come up with something new in order to be the boss of the competition. The last trick was the DAS system. Now it seems as if Mercedes is also anticipating the start lights for an even faster start.

It's another very clever trick if it turns out to be true, but according to former F1-driver Robert Doornbos Mercedes might be trying to anticipate the start lights. This might enable the team to bypass the two-tenths human reaction speed.

The slow-motion images show three red lights on the Finn's steering wheel. All three are on when the start lights above the grid are at four. The images show that Valtteri Bottas isn't looking at the big lights, but at his steering wheel. As soon as the lights on his steering wheel go out the Mercedes makes a run for it.

The problem of Bottas was that he saw above him just in time that the lights were still on. He had to get off the gas to avoid a false start. But if Doornbos is right Mercedes was very close to a good anticipation, because a millisecond later the lights indeed went out !

Lewis did it great with the new system ,his car took off like a bullet and won at least one sec. in the first straight at the start

this is interesting and couldnt get it actually.. im not saying Merc' is trying something or not but "lights out" sequence was decided by the race director in the past and i guess still..so there is no certain time for the start in that way.. so what they wired a line to race starting lights directly to the steering wheel? lights on the track are LED as well.. so no latency.. couldnt get the thing.. or im too tired idk..

[M5Rick]

HAM's response time was 0.0 sec to lights out when the quickest ever is 0.2 sec.

[yco]

Originally Posted by M5theonlyone

HAM's response time was 0.0 sec to lights out when the quickest ever is 0.2 sec.

no i guess 0.2sec is the tolerable margin for a false start.. like Bottas did last year.. this sounds like something different..

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by yco

no i guess 0.2sec is the tolerable margin for a false start.. like Bottas did last year.. this sounds like something different..

Mate listen : "Probably" Merc is cheating with a new radar system ...
This system can see the starts lights and can release the clutch of the launch control in 0.0 sec ! Works like your speedcam detector in your car .
In front of the startlights :The fastest ever measured human reaction speed (time) at the startgrid was 0.2 sec.

Let us say now : Last Sunday "someone" did it 0.0 sec !!!

Do you get it mate ?

[M5Rick]

That's why BOT was looking down the moment the lights changed.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5theonlyone

That's why BOT was looking down the moment the lights changed.

Actually he didn't had to look at the start lights !

After the race he was questioned about the strange situation .
Bottas said :Must be an electrical malfuntion . I already requested for a steering wheel replacement !

I really hope Merc will use it again @Silverstone !