[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

[Davil]

Hang on. Thinking about Ocon Doohan switch more.

What if they are actually looking at Colapinto and looking for an excuse to bump Doohan before he even starts his season. That’s a shit move. We all know the Ocon car is knobbled compared to Gasly car.

Also a shit move not to give Ocon a farewell.

It is Alpine though.

[FC4]

Lewis had a shit drive.

Still the greatest of all time.

[G30M]

Wait ... Charles is 8 points behind Lando ...

[G30M]

Originally Posted by E92inNC

This track is trash, if not for the debris causing chaos, the race would have been a snooze fest. The only overtaking opportunity is at turn one and the only thing they can do about it is increase the DRS length. As there’s only one straight, the teams are running to ouch downforce to make DRS effective. They need to admit this is a boring track and redesign it, at least Abu Dhabi finally gave in and tried to do something after drivers and fans kept complaining about its layout.

well they are trying to make people watch the next race by giving Lando a stop go penalty, Lando potentially saving his season by getting to 10th with fastest lap from last place

barring unforseen penalties, McLaren has sealed the constructors by being 21 points ahead

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by G30M

barring unforseen penalties, McLaren has sealed the constructors by being 21 points ahead

Should be sufficient for Norris and McLaren.

Norris will require 'calculated driving' as Verstappen did in Las Vegas, to secure WCC P1 and WDC P2. Only few overtake options at the Yas Marina circuit, but no street circuit, low chances to beach the car and high-level grip surface (surface of the track is made of graywacke aggregate shipped from England: high level of grip, though at the expense of a higher rate of tyre wear).

Bad qualifying or a DNF resulting from a bold move gone wrong, could cost Norris dearly if Leclerc, Sainz and Ferrari would bring their A game.

[fs1977]

Originally Posted by Davil

Some very harsh penalties. Especially Lando. Max did a classic George there (fair play to him). So much for British bias.

Not slowing down under double yellow's has consistently been a 10 sec stop and go for about ages. So, might be a bit harse, but at least it's consistent and not made up on the spot

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by fs1977

Not slowing down under double yellow's has consistently been a 10 sec stop and go for about ages. So, might be a bit harsh, but at least it's consistent and not made up on the spot

"Compliance with the yellow flag rules is paramount for the safety of all parties and this requirement is clearly noted in the first item of the Race Director's Event Notes at every event."

"He blew his mind out in a car | He didn't notice that the lights had changed | A crowd of people stood and stared | They'd seen his face before"



Andrea Stella of McLaren complains that the penalty for the double yellows violation by Norris "lacks proportion and specificity". I don't recall Stella backing Verstappen for getting imposed a 5 second time penalty - demoting him from P3 to P4 in the Sprint classification - by the stewards (including Johnny Herbert) after the São Paulo Sprint because "the driver was 0.63 seconds below the minimum time at VSC End when the FIA light panels changed to green" or Verstappen getting imposed "community service" by the stewards (including Johnny Herbert) for having said "the car was f**ked" about his own car during a press conference.

"The stewards can apply their discretion, but the FIA stewards' guidelines prescribe a 10-second stop-and-go as the standard penalty for ignoring double yellow flags in a race.
Stella said "the penalty was deserved" because it was clear that Norris had not slowed down for the yellow flags.
"That leads us to two important requirements that we all, I'm sure, would like to know are applied when it's about giving a penalty - one is proportion and the second one is specificity," Stella added. "The application of the penalty lacks both requirements.
"The specificity has to do with what case are we actually considering? Is there an immediate danger for somebody? Is there a crash scene?
"This leads to proportion - the penalty needs to be commensurate, proportionate to the severity of the infringement.
"It's interesting that the FIA themselves were going on and off with the yellow flag and at some stage it was even removed. Which gives a sense how severe is the situation.
"Lando did not slow down, but the lack of any specificity and proportion is very concerning and is also a factor that could have a decisive impact on the championship quest."
Stella said the FIA should consider this "very seriously if we want fairness to be part of racing in F1".
He added: "We expect that this case of applying such a severe penalty in this case will be reviewed by the FIA and there is certainly material for improvement.
"We have expressed that we expect this case to be reviewed but we don't want to enter in any comment in changes of racing director. We don't have the elements to judge. We just trust the institution that is there to do this job."
He emphasised that McLaren had asked for the review to "put the sport in a better place", adding: "I am thinking about the future of F1, not this event specifically."
https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/a...s/c77jlregl8do

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

So MAX ends up with another penalty point for trying to help those in front of him on slow down lap, this stupid rule should be changed and stewards should have told George to stop behaving like a little girl. What goes around can only be bad for the 63 driver.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by G30M

Wait ... Charles is 8 points behind Lando ...

He sure is and must be rueing the double yellow incident, Charlie is going to be calculating like Prost the professor was, at Abu dabi. Lando under immense pressure now walking away with just 2 points to Charlies 18.
On a separate note these night time races are beginning to s@ck for me.

[Davil]

Originally Posted by fs1977

Not slowing down under double yellow's has consistently been a 10 sec stop and go for about ages. So, might be a bit harse, but at least it's consistent and not made up on the spot

Well a 35 second penalty really. Not just the usual add to finishing position scenario like most of the recent punishments.

However. The main thing was that the whole thing was a total mess. So poorly implemented. They waited for someone to run across the mirror smash it to pieces then cause punctures. Absolute mess.

Should have been a safety car straight away.

I’d pretty much guarantee Lando was not the only driver that did this either. He just got George level snitched.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Artemis

"Compliance with the yellow flag rules is paramount for the safety of all parties and this
requirement is clearly noted in the first item of the Race Director's Event Notes at
every event."

"He blew his mind out in a car | He didn't notice that the lights had changed | A crowd of people stood and stared | They'd seen his face before"

Good interpretation from a Beatles song from the past, serious music fans would spot it soon enough.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Davil

Well a 35 second penalty really. Not just the usual add to finishing position scenario like most of the recent punishments.

Mika Salo explained why he and his 3 colleague stewards imposed a 10 second stop-and-go penalty on Kimi Räikkönen during the 2017 Spa-Francorchamps GP (context: Verstappen was stranded with engine power loss on the Kemmel Straight and was required to park in front of the grandstands - Kimi did not lift his foot - 317 km/h fly-by).

"The double yellow flag is a rule that must be respected. Kimi, looking at the telemetry, didn't pay any attention to the danger at all, keeping his foot down. There is a rule and we applied it, [full] stop. Pilots need to pay attention to these things because we are talking about important situations in which we need to be clear-headed."

Kimi going full throttle at 313 km/h - double yellow flags flashing on the left hand side of the track:


Kimi blasting full throttle past stranded Verstappen and race marshalls (right hand side of the track) at 317 km/h - double yellow flags (Kimi's reaction upon getting notified the penalty by his Ferrari race engineer: "What do you mean ? He was on the side of the road !")


View from Verstappen's perspective: Japanese bullet train fly-by at 320 km/h:
https://youtube.com/shorts/P_B-KJcseM8

2021 Austrian GP: both Nikita Mazepin and Nicholas Mazepin got imposed 10 second stop-and-go penalties post-race, converted to 30 second penalties, because of ignoring double yellow flags.

From the interwebs:

[fs1977]

Race penalties only:

2021 Austrian GP, Mazepin & Latifi handed penalty post-race, 10s Stop & Go, which was translated into 30s added to their race time due to the penalty being post race.

And in 2017 Belgian GP: Raikkonnen handed 10s Stop & Go for ignoring double yellows.

It doesn't happen often in the race itself so it seems.

[FrankMstein]

All of this would have been averted had the stewards given a VSC or SC and removed the mirror in the few laps to took them to act! I expect the FIA to do better. This was a major fail and cost teams money AND points as well as created more safety issues. WHERE IS THEIR PENALTY??? The gaps between cars were great enough even *I*, at 59, could have run out there and gotten the mirror under speed! WUSS stewards! Also no penalty for the team with the mirror! Where is that!?!? The FIA has to be done with f-ing up and their inconsistency!!!!!

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

MAX is always straight to the point and Russell is a sham .

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by FrankMstein

All of this would have been averted had the stewards given a VSC or SC and removed the mirror in the few laps to took them to act! I expect the FIA to do better. This was a major fail and cost teams money AND points as well as created more safety issues. WHERE IS THEIR PENALTY??? The gaps between cars were great enough even *I*, at 59, could have run out there and gotten the mirror under speed! WUSS stewards! Also no penalty for the team with the mirror! Where is that!?!? The FIA has to be done with f-ing up and their inconsistency!!!!!

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[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

62 wins, 40 poles and 33 FL's so with Abu Dhabi in a week it looks like it's gonna be 63 wins for MAX to wind up this season.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Sheesh, changed to 63. That'll make Georgie Porgy even happier

[M5Rick]

^^ Then..64 at Abu Dhabi unless he wants to help someone out but unlikely as he tried that out before and got a penalty from yours truly..

[wizardofOz]

I like how Max said he tried to be nice and I'm going to bet that he has a picture of George's face circled in red and a dart pointing.. He's in trouble..

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by wizardofOz

I like how Max said he tried to be nice and I'm going to bet that he has a picture of George's face circled in red and a dart pointing.. He's in trouble..

MAX has put Russell on his to beat list (!)