[Fly320s]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

At some point you will come to realize that you can't fix people with more laws.

Bingo.

[vreihen16]

Just saw on one of our regional news web sites that our county's sheriff is issuing these to all deputies. Is this an April Fools joke, or an actual tool being offered to police forces? Do they actually work to stop someone who is fleeing?????

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by vreihen16

Just saw on one of our regional news web sites that our county's sheriff is issuing these to all deputies. Is this an April Fools joke, or an actual tool being offered to police forces? Do they actually work to stop someone who is fleeing?????

Originally Posted by vreihen16

Just saw on one of our regional news web sites that our county's sheriff is issuing these to all deputies. Is this an April Fools joke, or an actual tool being offered to police forces? Do they actually work to stop someone who is fleeing?????

I WISH we had those. That would be a wonderful tool. It would, in theory, limit how much deadly force we might have to use. I would much rather use that than a stun bag shotgun.

[IllSic_Design]

Yeah that actually looks like pretty cool tech that would actually work/help officers.

[TiMSport]

Originally Posted by NorCalAthlete

Lies, damn lies, and statistics…see my last post in this thread for reference.

It’s a dead giveaway when you start mentioning Australia, by the way…

Please elaborate. I'm not trying to sway the conversation either way or throw gas on a fire, just genuinely curious. You did mention earlier today you've written about this subject but I didn't see anything in detail. What statistics are you referring to?

I don't know much about Australia other than it's illegal to own a firearm unless it's registered by serial number and the owner must have a license.

[NorCalAthlete]

Originally Posted by TiMSport

Please elaborate. I'm not trying to sway the conversation either way or throw gas on a fire, just genuinely curious. You did mention earlier today you've written about this subject but I didn't see anything in detail. What statistics are you referring to?

I don't know much about Australia other than it's illegal to own a firearm unless it's registered by serial number and the owner must have a license.

1. Highlighted the relevant portion I drew issue with
2. The anti-gun side doesn't believe statistics either unless they're extremely cherry picked with little context to "support" the anti-gun side
3. We are at risk of getting this thread pruned due to political discussion, which Jason has kindly but firmly requested we refrain from on this forum.

If this were a regional forum or something I'd say let's meet up and hash it out over beers but yeah. DM me if you're genuinely interested in learning more and having this discussion.

This next is for LB:
4. Don't EVEN bring up "well the CDC was banned from studying and that's why the statistics..." as your next train of thought. I've been round and round and round this discussion.

[Littlebear]

Originally Posted by NorCalAthlete

Lies, damn lies, and statistics…see my last post in this thread for reference.

It’s a dead giveaway when you start mentioning Australia, by the way…

Two posts by you that said basically nothing?

[Littlebear]

Originally Posted by NorCalAthlete

This next is for LB:
4. Don't EVEN bring up "well the CDC was banned from studying and that's why the statistics..." as your next train of thought. I've been round and round and round this discussion.

Learn some manners, pls.
You can go round & round your toilet bowl, for all I care.

CDC Study Ban?:

"Passed in 1997 with the strong backing of the NRA, the so-called "Dickey Amendment" effectively bars the national Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) from studying firearm violence...."
"Besides, experts say, non-partisan research could uncover a plethora of suggestions to help stem the tide of violence -- education strategies, guns storage solutions, etc. -- that don't include limiting access to guns.

"Violence prevention researchers are invested in less violence, not fewer guns," Corby said. "Their end game is not to take away guns.""

https://www.gunpolicy.org/templates/...tpage-head.jpg

https://abcnews.go.com/US/federal-go...ry?id=50300379

[Sedan_Clan]

We got into a shootout today. Really bad friggin' day. Ughhhh!

[paquet]

Originally Posted by IllSic_Design

Yeah that actually looks like pretty cool tech that would actually work/help officers.

This is straight out of a James Bond movie!
(I'll have to watch the older ones now - something like this was exhibited in 'Q' branch as Bond is walking about)

[Littlebear]

Originally Posted by Lady Jane

And on a lighter note, we deal with mental midgets on a daily basis. Any insults, prejudices and Holier Than Thou moral lectures from the uninformed woke crowd is just water on a duck's back.

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"We put fires out. We don't try to prevent them."
OK....

[paquet]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

We got into a shootout today. Really bad friggin' day. Ughhhh!

Oh dear. I'm sorry to hear that. I hope you and your fellow officers are physically all right.
And I hope you get through the mental up and down component quickly too

[Fly320s]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

We got into a shootout today. Really bad friggin' day. Ughhhh!

Did you win?

[Littlebear]

Originally Posted by Fly320s

Bingo.

So "Charlemagne? George Washington? Or was it Lincoln?", etc., had it wrong, but Clan hits Bingo with his wild west mentality?
OK....

[Fly320s]

Originally Posted by Littlebear

So "Charlemagne? George Washington? Or was it Lincoln?", etc., had it wrong, but Clan hits Bingo with his wild west mentality?
OK....

Yes, exactly. Glad you understand.

BTW, the "wild west" was never wild. That is a Hollywood myth.

[Littlebear]

Originally Posted by Fly320s

Yes, exactly. Glad you understand.

BTW, the "wild west" was never wild. That is a Hollywood myth.

Yes, even before Hollywood existed!

[Fly320s]

Originally Posted by Littlebear

Yes, even before Hollywood existed!

https://www.independent.org/publicat...cle.asp?id=803

[Littlebear]

Originally Posted by Fly320s

https://www.independent.org/publicat...cle.asp?id=803

From your link:
"Dozens of movies have portrayed the nineteenth-century mining camps in the West as hot beds of anarchy and violence, but John Umbeck discovered that, beginning in 1848, the miners began forming contracts with one another to restrain their own behavior (1981, 51)."
"The mining camps hired “enforcement specialists”—justices of the peace and arbitrators—and developed an extensive body of property and criminal law."

ie: they made laws.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by packet

Oh dear. I'm sorry to hear that. I hope you and your fellow officers are physically all right.
And I hope you get through the mental up and down component quickly too

Originally Posted by Fly320s

Did you win?

Thank you! Yes! The two shooters surrendered after a really long ordeal.

[Fly320s]

Originally Posted by Littlebear

From your link:
"Dozens of movies have portrayed the nineteenth-century mining camps in the West as hot beds of anarchy and violence, but John Umbeck discovered that, beginning in 1848, the miners began forming contracts with one another to restrain their own behavior (1981, 51)."
"The mining camps hired “enforcement specialists”—justices of the peace and arbitrators—and developed an extensive body of property and criminal law."

ie: they made laws.

Did you miss the very first paragraph? Here it is again. Bolding is mine.

Contrary to popular perception, the Old West was much more peaceful than American cities are today. The real culture of violence on the frontier during the latter half of the nineteenth century sprang from the U.S. government’s policies toward the Plains Indians.

[Littlebear]

Originally Posted by Fly320s

Did you miss the very first paragraph? Here it is again. Bolding is mine.

Yes, but I see no supporting data in your link.

[paquet]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Thank you! Yes! The two shooters surrendered after a really long ordeal.

Glad to hear.

I cannot imagine doing what you do on a daily basis.

A part of me still goes with the 'terminate with extreme prejudice' mentality, but then rational thought steps in and says that just makes me a loose cannon and a liability.
And trying to keep it together mentally and treating the next citizen you see as a citizen, and not a threat, that takes some serious mental fortitude.

Kudos, brother. Glad you're safe and sound.