[1MOREMOD]

I'm generally too careful so when/if I need to act quickly I'm not gonna have a chance to shoot my dick off. When I go from 330 holster to under sterering column refuse to cover my foot even though pain in the ass and safety on finger indexed.

[zentanker]

I'm a bit of a fan of the "don't shoot your own dick off" philosophy.

[zentanker]

Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

I'm generally too careful so when/if I need to act quickly I'm not gonna have a chance to shoot my dick off. When I go from 330 holster to under sterering column refuse to cover my foot even though pain in the ass and safety on finger indexed.

[adc100]

Originally Posted by zentanker

One thing to keep in mind. If you have to self defend in car..practice taking the weapon out and going overTOP of the steering wheel. Folks never play the whole scenario out and all of a sudden.."oops..there is a steering wheel in the way"

[1MOREMOD]

I would prefer to keep gun in holster on waist but was getting back issue sitting on a 1911 80 miles a day. No one likely gonna yank me out of car on freeway.

[adc100]

Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

I would prefer to keep gun in holster on waist but was getting back issue sitting on a 1911 80 miles a day. No one likely gonna yank me out of car on freeway.

Its hard to imagine having to ever pull it out when you are stopped with the engine running. You can step on the gas and go front or back without having to pull it out.

Can't imagine me carrying a 1911 around, I only weigh 140 pounds. I have done a lot of shooting with them but never shot them well. Got rid of all but one which is a 1945 WWII Remington (They made the best among all of the manufactures in WWII). I was stupid to shoot it a couple of times..never again.

[1MOREMOD]

Pretty unlikely unless carjacker and situational awareness should fix that. Gun in my hand of not they would be making a poor choice.

[InnerBlueSkies]

Originally Posted by RoarinRow

I have a couple and have a CCW that I keep current. Just don't have time to go out and practice like I should/want.

Rare in CA, at least thats what I hear. Are you a current/former LEO? What was the process like?

[Oregon]

Originally Posted by Run Silent

For us that weren't standard grunts, we were offered an option to 'buy back' our old 1911's that we could use at the discretion of the command. The buy back was four payroll deductions of $22.25 each. Bit of a steal if you ask me.

Yep. Feds did something right for a change. Did you?

My everyday carry is a light weight Commander. There is nothing like a 1911 for concealed carry as it is so thin it snicks away under most garments without printing.

[IllSic_Design]

Originally Posted by InnerBlueSkies

Rare in CA, at least thats what I hear. Are you a current/former LEO? What was the process like?

It used to be, but actually over the past few years it has become a lot easier to get a CCW in CA. I have a few friends with one.

[1MOREMOD]

Originally Posted by Oregon

Yep. Feds did something right for a change. Did you?

My everyday carry is a light weight Commander. There is nothing like a 1911 for concealed carry as it is so thin it snicks away under most garments without printing.

Agreed I carry a govt and everything else feels like a brick, once in a while carry cz75 or hi power for similar reason.

[Uncledanny6]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

Just get a bump stock. Legal, mimics full auto, and cheap.

[InnerBlueSkies]

Originally Posted by Shiza

A revolver for a carry gun? Don't think that's the wisest choice.

I carry a Sig 380, better than a stick

[Mandi90TT]

Originally Posted by IllSic_Design

It used to be, but actually over the past few years it has become a lot easier to get a CCW in CA. I have a few friends with one.

Highly dependent on what county you live in.

[Grip Addict]

Those with land to shoot.

Do you shoot everyday? I feel like I would.

[1MOREMOD]

I think I probably would also have target set up various distances and walk 10 steps out door and keep sharp

[Grip Addict]

Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

I think I probably would also have target set up various distances and walk 10 steps out door and keep sharp

Same, I like to believe dependant on distance from neighbors I would have targets set up on the way to my M3 in the morning.

Specially when groggy leaving for the office. Perfect time to practice.

[Rhidium]

Revolver is fine with training.. like any gun. Accuracy is extremely important. Sure you shot the bad guy but you shot a innocent person behind them and your life is screwed.

[Rhidium]

Share some history..




The American 180 was designed and developed in the United States of America in the early 1970's. However, initial production was contracted through an Austrian based company. The finished Austrian Import was brought back into the United States by Christopher and Associates. These early guns were all "Pre-86 Dealer Samples". Christopher and Associates was located in California.

The original market for the American 180 was local Police Departments. A substantial number of guns were sold to the police. Federal and State Penitentiaries were also purchasers of the American 180 for prison population control. When equipped with the Laser-Lok siteing system, it is rumored that the projected red dot tended to have a very calming effect on whomever it came to rest. Many Federal Penitentiaries still have the gun in service, and periodically will exhibit its intimidating firepower to inmates.

Ironically, this same intimidating 1500 rounds per minute (1800 rounds per minute when chambered for .22 short magnum) pounding action of the American 180, which could easily demolish a cinder block wall, also had the power to defeat most soft body armor that certain prison gaurds wear. For this reason, some State Penitentiaries retired the American 180 shortly after they were acquired.

It is interesting to note that in the early years of Austrian production, the only serial number which appeared on the American 180 was on the*barrel. The receiver initially contained no serial number. This configuration was approved by ATF for importation into the United States. Later, versions did contain a serial number on the*receiver*as well as all guns manufactured in the United States.

A group in Salt Lake City, Utah purchased the company and hence American Arms International was formed. American Arms continued production of the*American 180 with Austrian produced parts. American Arms did explore domestic manufacture of the guns through several subcontractors. This resulted in 24 fully-transferable American 180s made by a company called S&S Arms.

Domestic production continued with various improvements. The "A" models being Austrian. The "B" models being the first produced in the United States. The "D" models being the last made by American Arms International. In 1986, production ceased due to legal problems with BATF.

The owners of American Arms were prosecuted by ATF for allegedly submitting form 2's for guns they really hadn't made, in the days right before the 1986 making ban. Many*legal documents*are available related to this case.

In 1987, Illinois Arms Company, Inc. (ILARCO) bought out American Arms International. Production continued using American manufactured parts. It was during the Illinois Arms ownership period that the*heavier barrelled version*appeared on the market. (The research and development of the heavy barreled version was performed by American Arms International, but certain production problems were resolved after the Illinois Arms buy out.)

Illinois Arms, teamed with Feather Industries, for the production of semi-automatic versions of the American 180.

This partnership ultimately went bankrupt.*E&L Manufacturing, Inc.*purchased the remaining inventory. They continue to offer*parts, accessories, and service*for the American 180.

"A", "B" and "D" serial number prefixes existed for the American 180. It is unclear as to what model changes were associated with each version.

We understand that the American 180 was used (in the line of duty) on two occasions. One undocumented use allegedly occurred in Utah. We have no additional information regarding this incident. In regards to the second, we now know that it occurred in Lauderhill Florida on November 24 1974 by Police Officer Mike Gillo, along with his partner Gary P. Jones. Mike fired approximately 40 rounds from his laser equipped American 180 through the rear window of a fleeing 1974 Camaro occupied by two robbery suspects, after the suspect in the passenger seat fired at Gary. Gary fired his shotgun at the fleeing auto. However, all the buck shot managed to miss both occupants. Shortly after, the Camaro was located with one suspect slumped over in the passenger seat dead from multiple .22 caliber slugs in the back. The driver, who fled and was later apprehended alive, also had several .22 caliber wounds in his back.*
(Info pulled from E&L Manufacturing)

[upstatedoc]

Originally Posted by Uncledanny6

But he's not human

[zentanker]

Originally Posted by Grip Addict

Those with land to shoot.

Do you shoot everyday? I feel like I would.

Not every day, but I'd say probably 4 times a week on average. Sometimes I get the urge to burn a lot of rounds for proficiency/fun, but mostly it's for pest control or just to verify my sights are still zeroed or the batteries are still good in battery operated sights on my various guns.

[zentanker]

Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

I think I probably would also have target set up various distances and walk 10 steps out door and keep sharp

I have 3 sets of targets.

About 10 steps from my back door I have this:



About 20 yards back I have this:




At 100 yards I have a small silhouette target similar to this, except hanging from chains on a sawhorse style stand: