[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

I think ALO's punishment is very very debatable, but it is what it is, it's the stewards decision.

Fernando Alonso: “I believe that without gravel on that corner, on any other corner in the world we will never be even investigated. In F1, with over 20 years of experience, with epic duels like Imola 2005/2006 or Brazil 2023, changing racing lines, sacrificing entry speed to have good exits from corners is part of the art of motorsport.
Aston Martin has the right to appeal the penalty – that dropped Alonso to eighth in the final result and ultimately cost the team two points – but has suggested it is unlikely to do so.
https://racer.com/2024/03/25/alonso-...ourne-penalty/

Since I first posted this my views have not changed. Formula One history backs Alonso up. Pretty chicken shit on the FIA's part.

[G30M]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Fernando Alonso: “I believe that without gravel on that corner, on any other corner in the world we will never be even investigated. In F1, with over 20 years of experience, with epic duels like Imola 2005/2006 or Brazil 2023, changing racing lines, sacrificing entry speed to have good exits from corners is part of the art of motorsport.
Aston Martin has the right to appeal the penalty – that dropped Alonso to eighth in the final result and ultimately cost the team two points – but has suggested it is unlikely to do so.
https://racer.com/2024/03/25/alonso-...ourne-penalty/

Since I first posted this my views have not changed. Formula One history backs Alonso up. Pretty chicken shit on the FIA's part.

He's saying he slowed down on purpose to deliberately slow down Russell and without the gravel trap there'd be no Russell flipping like that.

Ie I didn't do anything wrong, Russell's crash was unfortunate, FIA has no idea how things work.

[HeelToeShift]

Looks like Max's power unit is repairable! It will not be used for FPs and a spare engine. This is great news!

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by dfox

My takeaways:
- Fred's gotta be kicking himself. Ferrari love Charles and I can understand keeping him, but Sainz is on the up, Hamilton is on the down. As they say, don't try to catch a falling knife.
- Alonso did not deserve that penalty. Fernando has always tried different lines and tactics in corners. Last year in Brazil, he pulled that on like every corner with Checo, and he didn't crash. Russel was just pushing too hard.
- Russel's crash should have been a red flag. Couldn't believe they just VSC'd it while a car sat sideways in the middle of the track, surrounded by gravel.
- Everyone saying Piastri needed more credit because team orders - Lando opened a significant gap on Piastri. Lando has better tire management and overall race pace. Piastri is fast, but still needs to learn more about race pace. He's catching up and it won't be long until he's in front, but he's not there yet.
- Lawson needs to replace Ricciardo ASAP.
- Poor Sargent. Albon really needed to score points.

Agreed, but Nor really isn't as good as he hyped up to be...same with Rus. Could you imagine how much more credit Max would get if he were from the UK?? Sky for the longest time tried to diminish what Max was doing and now they've finally realized they cant because his accomplishments, records, and what he is doing has never been done before in this manner by anyone in F1. At this point his success is so prominent that them saying anything other than that would be like trying to say the sky (no pun intended) is red and everyone knows it's blue.
Also, some credit to Tsu, because he is freaking fast and I would bet with the exception of Max, no one else would be much, if at all faster in the other top cars.

[G30M]

legend has it that LeClerc still doesn't know if it was the last lap

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

Looks like Max's power unit is repairable! It will not be used for FPs and a spare engine. This is great news!

While my world doesn't revolve around Max Verstappen like some folks here, I certainly don't wish him bad luck only that other drivers and constructors continue to pick up their game.

[Car-Addicted]

Concerns for Red Bull: Verstappen brake problem appears structural
That observation was reminiscent of Bahrain, when Charles Leclerc had a similar problem. Noteworthy: since this season, Red Bull Racing, like Ferrari, uses Brembo brand brake discs and calipers.
As mentioned, Charles Leclerc certainly recognises the feeling, and in any case, there is the appearance that this is a structural problem at supplier Brembo. After previously using brake calipers from Carbon Industries, Red Bull tested Brembo products for the first time in Bahrain. Brembo is a brand that already supplies Ferrari, Mercedes, and now all but one team in F1. The Austrians ultimately chose the Italian company because it had manufactured an evolution in brake calipers.
Red Bull already knew prior to the season that the Brembo brake calipers were very complex components and, therefore, prone to failure. It appears that these Brembo parts did indeed cause a problem in two of the three Grands Prix in 2024. That is not a good average and undoubtedly warrants investigation at Red Bull, Ferrari, and certainly also Brembo in Italy.
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/26676...tructural.html

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

While my world doesn't revolve around Max Verstappen like some folks here, I certainly don't wish him bad luck only that other drivers and constructors continue to pick up their game.

I mean, issues are part of the sport at times, and I prefer to watch them race rather than see someone out, but it's got to feel a bit sobering to someone like Sai who was only able to win due to Max not actually even being in the race. It's a tough job to come in beat Max on merit. In the past 2 years, I can't recall more than a race or two that he has not won where it was purely on merit on that other driver. Per's 2 wins were due to some odd SC timing, and Sai win was only due to RB being too conservative on set up and cost them in quali.
I also think we are going to see a bit more pace from the RB20 with the upgrades coming.

[G30M]

P1 & P2 doing things, these guys are just fast kids

[3798j]

Too much class for any of the second seats...

[Artemis]

VER - HAM - RUS - STR:

• Verstappen onboard - Brembo brake fire: here
• Hamilton onboard - abrupt engine failure: here
• Russell onboard - urging for red flag: here
• Stroll onboard - approaching Russell: here

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Concerns for Red Bull: Verstappen brake problem appears structural
That observation was reminiscent of Bahrain, when Charles Leclerc had a similar problem. Noteworthy: since this season, Red Bull Racing, like Ferrari, uses Brembo brand brake discs and calipers.
As mentioned, Charles Leclerc certainly recognises the feeling, and in any case, there is the appearance that this is a structural problem at supplier Brembo. After previously using brake calipers from Carbon Industries, Red Bull tested Brembo products for the first time in Bahrain. Brembo is a brand that already supplies Ferrari, Mercedes, and now all but one team in F1. The Austrians ultimately chose the Italian company because it had manufactured an evolution in brake calipers.
Red Bull already knew prior to the season that the Brembo brake calipers were very complex components and, therefore, prone to failure. It appears that these Brembo parts did indeed cause a problem in two of the three Grands Prix in 2024. That is not a good average and undoubtedly warrants investigation at Red Bull, Ferrari, and certainly also Brembo in Italy.
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/26676...tructural.html

Brembo made in Italy

[Autobacs]

Originally Posted by g21

Alonso is very lucky the stewards believe him that his brake check was not intentional

they all agree a brake check did happen, they gave him 3 penalty points, but they could not prove it was intentional

that was very dangerous, 900 hp with gas pinned to the floor coming behind you and you lift off in front of that guy, made him crash with his spine presented like a bullseye board to the next car behind also coming at 220-260kph, that could have been a manslaughter charge if the planets lined up

I believe someone who has been racing in F1 for 20 years know exactly what he was doing! just slightly miscalculated the consequences.

Here's the opposite take on the matter from the former Technical Director of Jordan and Jaguar: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/formula-...GzerEUUGBO9pLM

and another one: https://www.planetf1.com/news/fernan...sations-unfair

Checo suffered a degradation of his aerodynamics right after he passed Alonso when a tear off lodged underneath his car where it compromised his speed. I was wondering why he could not pull away from ALO after he passed him.

Never had any problems on my Brembo brakes, SO FAR

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by 3798j

Too much class for any of the second seats...

This is endearing, but at the same time, this is not the baseline killer/cut-throat mentality you need if racing on a team with someone like Max. I also thing Lec is a bit too nice too.

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

This is endearing, but at the same time, this is not the baseline killer/cut-throat mentality you need if racing on a team with someone like Max. I also thing Lec is a bit too nice too.

That's the point, they aren't racing for WDC with Red Bull and Max around. LEC and SAI are racing for 2nd place at best. They aren't even competing for control of the team with SAI leaving. No need to be brutal or ruthless for first loser status.

Now if WDC were in play I'm sure UGLY would come out with the quickness.

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

That's the point, they aren't racing for WDC with Red Bull and Max around. LEC and SAI are racing for 2nd place at best. They aren't even competing for control of the team with SAI leaving. No need to be brutal or ruthless for first loser status.

Now if WDC were in play I'm sure UGLY would come out with the quickness.

Maybe on the latter, but I do think they are more nice-natured naturally on track vs Max who on track is ruthless no matter what.

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

Maybe on the latter, but I do think they are more nice-natured naturally on track vs Max who on track is ruthless no matter what.

Not a bad thing but Max is Zero F**ks Given.

[Artemis]

[Car-Addicted]

Brembo blames Ferrari and Red Bull for problem
When asked, Brembo stated that these were two separate problems, which had nothing to do with their materials and components. On the contrary, the fact that problems arose was due to the teams themselves. "After an investigation at each team, the problems that Leclerc and Verstappen had are not related to Brembo component anomalies or material malfunctions. In both case the problem came from a wrong setup/team choice regarding the car configuration (but we don't have more details, this is the teams' information) so there is not a direct Brembo responsibility on both car problems," Brembo informed.

Who didn't see that coming.

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Brembo blames Ferrari and Red Bull for problem
When asked, Brembo stated that these were two separate problems, which had nothing to do with their materials and components. On the contrary, the fact that problems arose was due to the teams themselves. "After an investigation at each team, the problems that Leclerc and Verstappen had are not related to Brembo component anomalies or material malfunctions. In both case the problem came from a wrong setup/team choice regarding the car configuration (but we don't have more details, this is the teams' information) so there is not a direct Brembo responsibility on both car problems," Brembo informed.

Who didn't see that coming.

First I heard Charlie had a brake problem.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Brembo blames Ferrari and Red Bull for problem
When asked, Brembo stated that these were two separate problems, which had nothing to do with their materials and components. On the contrary, the fact that problems arose was due to the teams themselves. "After an investigation at each team, the problems that Leclerc and Verstappen had are not related to Brembo component anomalies or material malfunctions. In both case the problem came from a wrong setup/team choice regarding the car configuration (but we don't have more details, this is the teams' information) so there is not a direct Brembo responsibility on both car problems," Brembo informed.

Who didn't see that coming.

#ItalianThings !

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

First I heard Charlie had a brake problem.

Charlie and Carlito got 'Brembo brake issues at Bahrain .

Charlie and MAX said : It's like driving with a handbrake on ...