[yco]

it was almost a perfect weekend for Mercs that its been a long long while...

Max was Ocon back in the day.. though Max's attack was more optimistic than a realistic.. just like last year.. cause he couldnt even make the turn after hitting Lewis.. he was understeering all over the place.. anyone cant see this in replays is just living in a dream world..

last year.. this defense was the most ridiculous defense ever.. 0:13..

i really thought Max getting mature and complete this year but seems not much changed still.. Perez helped him a lot.. and it was too hard to let him to take more points.. unbelievable.. even Horner apologized Perez.. we ve seen Max's "composed" driving style and behaviour until this race when things go a bit wrong, real face and behaviour pops up directly..

anyways..

big big congrats to Russell he was controlling the weekend since sprint race and it was the same in GP.. Lewis made a very good recovery.. he was pushing quite a lot until the last SC he was leaving traces while he was accelerating often.. not much tires and pace left to catch Russell enough.. i d like Lewis to win the race but seeing the team play is incredible also.. so well done to maximize the package..

[MontyB1]

Originally Posted by yco

Max's attack was more optimistic than a realistic.. just like last year.. cause he couldnt even make the turn after hitting Lewis.. he was understeering all over the place.. anyone cant see this in replays is just living in a dream world..

More than anything I think that is why they gave Max the punishment, he was going so quick into the corner at such a tight angle even if LH had left him space there was no way he was going to make the corner, even afterwards he drove off the side of the circuit. Max has done that so many times, like Brazil last year that the stewards aren't standing for it anymore.

I think the terrible PR that this has caused Max might mean for the first time he has to help Perez next race but only due to the PR fallout, it will be killing him inside to do anything for anyone else its all, me me me normally and that is going to be simply lovely to see the shoe on the other foot. Nasty piece of work that he is.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by chaungo

Everyone bitching about max, but look at Leclerc begging for 3rd place (which would be 3 points btw) vs Perez begging for 6th (which would be 2 pts)

Perez wouldn't need to beg if he just drove better this weekend and the weekends before.

He's a #2 driver, he would never win a championship, or beat Max, he had the chance in the beginning of the season, and he just didn't perform.

The fact that Max had to pit early for damage, then managed to go from last to 6th, and pass Perez already tells you how much better of a driver he is.

Next year is his last year, and Perez will be booted off the team for someone else.




And Lewis is always throwing shade at Max, dude gave him zero space and somehow Max got the penalty lmao, they didn't cause any issues all season and the only time they had a chance to win, Lewis squeezes him like he always does to any driver and gets away Scot free.

How anyone likes Hamilton is beyond me, dude drives dirty, and people jump to his defense all the time, he isn't even a good driver, look how he drove all season, and hasn't even won a race yet, and he always plays the victim card of "I always have a target on my back"

As VER said, he went for the gap, it costed him 5 seconds, but it costed HAM the win. I seriously hope HAM never wins another race again so he's exposed as a fraudulent champion.

Sure mate . Well said . I couldn't agree more

#SilverstoneCopseTurn !!!

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by G99M5

apparently ... Sergio ....

https://racingnews365.com/dutch-medi...eam-order-snub

Positive !

[lens]

Originally Posted by E86Z4MC

Womp

Ah yes, let's compare Ocon who's a back marker and was blue flagged, to an actual race.

[3798j]

Found this interesting. ESPN posted this on Facebook...spelling out how Checo helped Max on his WDC quest last season...the number of likes and the tone of the responses are telling. We're witnessing what you get when a narcistic parent "creates" a "champion"...

[lens]

Originally Posted by MontyB1

More than anything I think that is why they gave Max the punishment, he was going so quick into the corner at such a tight angle even if LH had left him space there was no way he was going to make the corner, even afterwards he drove off the side of the circuit. Max has done that so many times, like Brazil last year that the stewards aren't standing for it anymore.

I think the terrible PR that this has caused Max might mean for the first time he has to help Perez next race but only due to the PR fallout, it will be killing him inside to do anything for anyone else its all, me me me normally and that is going to be simply lovely to see the shoe on the other foot. Nasty piece of work that he is.

DTS has painted Max as the villain all the time.

And they painted LH as their golden boy who does no wrong.

This is Max first crash all season, and who's it with? LH.

He raced RUS the day before with zero issues, wheel to wheel, fair and square, so he's not the problem, LH is.


We all know he's going to gap the field by 30 sec next race so he can't help Perez.


Brazil was a one off, Mercedes aren't going to do as well in Abu Dhabi with the big straights.


I got nothing against Merc, I was hoping RUS would win Brazil and he did.

I have issues with LH because everyone puts this guy on a pedestal like he's some god, when this season proved what kind of a fraud he is. Can't even win a race, he has a second/third best car at best

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by chaungo

DTS has painted Max as the villain all the time.

And they painted LH as their golden boy who does no wrong.

This is Max first crash all season, and who's it with? LH.

He raced RUS the day before with zero issues, wheel to wheel, fair and square, so he's not the problem, LH is.


We all know he's going to gap the field by 30 sec next race so he can't help Perez.


Brazil was a one off, Mercedes aren't going to do as well in Abu Dhabi with the big straights.


I got nothing against Merc, I was hoping RUS would win Brazil and he did.

I have issues with LH because everyone puts this guy on a pedestal like he's some god, when this season proved what kind of a fraud he is. Can't even win a race, he has a second/third best car at best

Agreed. Ham has always been a driver who likes to push others off and blame the other person. Even when he makes a mistake it’s all a game of deflection as he likes to blame the team or curse them out when things don’t go his way.
He surely isn’t the talent people think he is now that you see the field very close at the front exposing his true level.

[M5Rick]

Here are the race highlights.

[E86Z4MC]

Originally Posted by chaungo

Ah yes, let's compare Ocon who's a back marker and was blue flagged, to an actual race.

Actually more about comparing Max in exactly the same position Lewis was in, with him complaining just the same. The move is also not unlike what happened at Monza last year, or lap 1 of Abu Dabi.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by chaungo

I wish I was on HAMs payroll too because he never does anything wrong.

Clean racing from Max all season with everyone, including Russel , and some wheel to wheel with HAM results in a crash? I think we know the problem, and it ain't max.

Still HAM fixated on Silverstone 21 which made him move on Max there and the touch paper has been lit again thanks to 'I'm a victim' HAM.

[lens]

I think we should all wait till this weekend to see what Max will do.

Will he gap the field by 30 secs so he physically can't help Perez?

Or will he go slow on purpose so he can help Perez?

Max has received so much hate in the last 24 hours, when if everyone remembered the HAM/BOT years, BOT never challenged HAM and always played second fiddle, HAM might have given BOT a few podiums over the years as pity, but watching RUS/HAM now, I think next year will be very interesting, when everyone will be fighting each other for the championship. No teammate will help each other unless they're far down the WDC in points.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by chaungo

I think we should all wait till this weekend to see what Max will do.

Will he gap the field by 30 secs so he physically can't help Perez?

Or will he go slow on purpose so he can help Perez?

Max has received so much hate in the last 24 hours, when if everyone remembered the HAM/BOT years, BOT never challenged HAM and always played second fiddle, HAM might have given BOT a few podiums over the years as pity, but watching RUS/HAM now, I think next year will be very interesting, when everyone will be fighting each other for the championship. No teammate will help each other unless they're far down the WDC in points.

This. Max is in a different class and if Checo's not there close then he can't help him but he's realising he needs that 'Max factor' a bit more to score for a medal.

[E86Z4MC]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

This. Max is in a different class and if Checo's not there close then he can't help him but he's realising he needs that 'Max factor' a bit more to score for a medal.

True on two fronts. 1) he doesn't steal points from Max (max hasn't had to drive against top tier teammates, yet) and also 2) Perez has done a TON to help max out.

[Artemis]

Verstappen-Hamilton, Verstappen-Perez, etc.

Throwback: tough rivalry and dive bombing:

Senna - Prost feud:

• Senna: "I think everyone knows Prost by now. He's always complaining either by [about] the car or the tires or the team or the mechanics or the fuel or the other drivers or the circuit. It's always somebody else to blame; it's never his fault." - "I refuse to walk away from the fight. It's my nature to go right to the end. That's what I'm going to do." - "He [Prost] is behaving like a coward."
• Prost: "To be very honest, I mean, I'm quite happy to leave [McLaren and team mate Senna for Ferrari], because I think it becomes absolutely impossible to work with Ayrton."

Martin Brundle on Senna and Verstappen's dive bombing:

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by E86Z4MC

https://twitter.com/erikvharen/status/1591890433075970048

True on two fronts. 1) he doesn't steal points from Max (max hasn't had to drive against top tier teammates, yet) and also 2) Perez has done a TON to help max out.

you have any idea what the text says that you're quoting?
It says the opposite of what you're stating....
(it says that Checo rigged the Monaco qualifying on purpose for his own behalf...)

[NYG]

Originally Posted by E86Z4MC

Lol @ Max's response to helping Sergio with something that could only help his team and teammate. Really showing his true colors imo

Ham fans are literally not allowed to even make a comment about this. I can put together a one hour collage of him doing this, especially to Bottas who was submissive and then quite a bit more with Nico.

[E86Z4MC]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

you have any idea what the text says that you're quoting?
It says the opposite of what you're stating....
(it says that Checo rigged the Monaco qualifying on purpose for his own behalf...)

https://youtu.be/nGn7olufw5c

Wrong copy /paste. Thanks for mentioning it!

[NYG]

Originally Posted by E86Z4MC

https://twitter.com/erikvharen/status/1591890433075970048

True on two fronts. 1) he doesn't steal points from Max (max hasn't had to drive against top tier teammates, yet) and also 2) Perez has done a TON to help max out.

Perez also has a job because of Red Bull.

Look, I admit, I would have liked to see Max help him but you're talking about an elite champion. These people, same as Lewis/Senna/Schumacher/Alonso, have a competitive mindset that most people do not have. Yes, I know there have been times where Schumacher did this for Rubens but plenty more when he was ruthless against his teammates, especially earlier on.

I want Max to help Checo, I think he deserves it but the fact of the matter is that Checo needs to help himself first.

[MontyB1]

Originally Posted by NYG

Perez also has a job because of Red Bull.

Look, I admit, I would have liked to see Max help him but you're talking about an elite champion. These people, same as Lewis/Senna/Schumacher/Alonso, have a competitive mindset that most people do not have. Yes, I know there have been times where Schumacher did this for Rubens but plenty more when he was ruthless against his teammates, especially earlier on.

I want Max to help Checo, I think he deserves it but the fact of the matter is that Checo needs to help himself first.

Do you know what IF he was fighting to get something or win something at that point I'd get it. But Max literally has NOTHING to prove at this point. He could have chosen to be helpful to a drive that has helped him win a championship, but no he decides to make some pointless vacuous point. The guy isn't a nice person plain and simple he is low in many peoples estimations now that has fallen even further.

Red Bull, their attitude and their drive will be causing problems to sponsors of that you can be certain.

[NYG]

Originally Posted by Onesie

I’m sorry, I watched the race.

Please tell us why VER got a penalty.

Edit: I’ll make your life easier:
https://www.planetf1.com/news/fia-ex...paulo-penalty/

The stewards determined that Verstappen attempted to pass Hamilton on the outside of Turn 1 by braking very late.

“He did not complete the pass in Turn 1 and his excess speed compromised his entry into Turn 2, at which point he made contact with Hamilton.“

What is your definition of “dive bomb”?

This logic is exactly why Max fans laugh at the notion of Abu Dhabi 2021.

Last year was literally almost an entire season of Lewis getting away with trashy racing that Alonso has already called him out for not being able to drive in any position except 1st.

Whether you love Max, hate Max or are indifferent to Max at the very least that was 100% a racing incident. Every driver that was asked about it agrees and even Sky sports was very open about it being LEWIS.

Lewis has a complex where he believes he can not be challenged by anyone and never leaves space. Max humbled him real quick, so he needs to learn how to drive the way someone 5th in the WDC drives.

[NYG]

Originally Posted by MontyB1

Do you know what IF he was fighting to get something or win something at that point I'd get it. But Max literally has NOTHING to prove at this point. He could have chosen to be helpful to a drive that has helped him win a championship, but no he decides to make some pointless vacuous point. The guy isn't a nice person plain and simple he is low in many peoples estimations now that has fallen even further.

Red Bull, their attitude and their drive will be causing problems to sponsors of that you can be certain.

I think it's completely unfair to judge someone's character based on their race performances and decisions. That's why I respect the heck out of Lewis the driver - not the person.